“ATF Confiscating Drop-In Auto-Sears”

Door to door confiscation. It can’t happen here?

From Ammoland:

Drop-In Auto Sear

Drop-In Auto Sear

Agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF, have begun confiscating gun parts known as drop-in auto sears, or DIAS.

A DIAS is a simple toggle device which, when installed in an AR-type rifle, along with several other critical fire-control parts, can convert a semi-auto AR into a full-auto assault rifle.

The devices were originally unregulated, but in 1981 ATF declared them to be machineguns if possessed in conjunction with the other parts needed to make a conversion, but the agency made their new determination apply only to DIAS’s manufactured after November 1, 1981. Now ATF is apparently using the records of a man who openly sold the devices for decades to track down purchasers and take their property as contraband – with the real possibility of then prosecuting those people.”

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16 Responses to “ATF Confiscating Drop-In Auto-Sears”

  1. notamobster says:


    If the device converts your rifle to full auto (more than one round fired per squeeze of the trigger), then it’s illegal. It’s really that simple. Whether or not it should be is for a different debate. Enforcing the law, as written, is the responsibility of BATFE.


    This isn’t door-to-door confiscation. This is going after people who may be breaking the law (no matter how retarded said law may be).

    They may not have been violating, when the law was enacted, but they’ve had plenty of time to get rid of the item, since then.

    Completely legal:


  2. RJ says:

    Hey Nota what about ex-post facto,
    I mean WTF ya buy a perfectally legal item today, and then tomorrow some weenie gov asshole turns it illegal and ya just have to suffer the loss?

  3. notamobster says:

    No you have to follow the law and register it if you want to keep it… What if you owned a full auto rifle? You either register, and get the tax stamp or destroy it – our take your chances. That’s always an option.

  4. RJ says:

    So they are only going after the ones not registered after the law passed?
    OK mine fell down a well in 1981, right before I was going to send in the paperwork.
    Damn what a shame.

    • notamobster says:

      …and that would be the ‘take your chances’ option.

      • FlatEarther says:

        I have a problem with them dragging up some old list, then searching my house for stuff. If they encounter me in some way and discover the contraband then Katie bar the door. But this stinks as bad as Ruby ridge, and the various other gun dealers (and there was more than one) that were shot in bed, when the Clinton Admin BATF went to work with no knock warrants on dealers, who when the door was kicked in reached for their weapon on the night stand.

        Nota mostly you make excellent sense, but I’m not seeing it here.

        • notamobster says:

          I agree that using a 30 year old sales lists to obtain warrants is horseshit.

          That said, the grandfathering was struck down in 1998. That effectively changed the law.

          That BATFE is just now enforcing the law is also horseshit. But… that is what happens when the people elect a fucktard communist piece of shit as their president, twice.

          The law is the law. I suggest that anyone who owns these simply throw them off a bridge, drill them out, or otherwise make them inoperable. It’s not worth the f-king headache. For what? So you can spend obscene amounts of money on ammo?

          Use a slidefire. Same expensive ammo bill, no risk. ZERO. NADA. ZIP. NUNCA.

  5. messup says:

    Here’s the REAL back story! Read on:
    Folks, B. Todd Jones’ nomination as ATF head, is coming up for a Harry Reid driven cloture vote Wednesday July 31, 2013. Call: Sen. Jeff Flake at (202) 224-4521and Sen. John McCain at (202) 224-2235 opposing this nomination (or your senators).
    If confirmed, Mr. Jones will be tasked with carrying out and enforcing Barack Obama’s anti-gun agenda.
    As acting head of ATF for two years, he trampled all over our liberties and Second Amendment rights.
    1) He went out of his way to persecute those in his agency who dared to expose those responsible for “Operation Fast and Furious.”
    As you may remember, Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal was where the U.S. government funneled illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels (Aid to Egypt redux?), resulting in the deaths of a U.S. Border Patrol agent and hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens.
    2)What did B. Todd Jones do to fix this mess? Virtually nothing. He even failed to hold those responsible for Operation Fast and Furious accountable. See, through a combination of “personnel shifts” and rewarding government bureaucrats, letting them retire with fat pensions, many of those responsible faced no punishment at all.
    Instead, he cracked-down on ATF whistle-blowers, threatening his employees with consequences if they stepped out of line (remember “non-disclosure agreements???”). In a memo on 7/9/2012 he wrote:
    “… if you don’t abide by the rules, that if you don’t respect the chain of command, if you don’t find the appropriate way to raise your concerns to your leadership, there will be consequences …”
    – B. Todd Jones to ATF employees, 7/9/2012
    3)Consequences were real to all those impacted! Those responsible for it were “given Obama cover!”. Worse, under Jones’ leadership the ATF has been driven even further out-of-control.
    Alongside embattled anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder, the ATF’s power and ability to slap otherwise law-abiding gun owners under a government microscope has grown by leaps and bounds. DHS’ Operation Vigilant Eagle anyone? Or how’s about “ammo shortages?”
    Those at the Brady Campaign are singing praises for his anti-gun record.
    4)Law enforcement community members are sounding the alarm.
    “I feel morally compelled to make your committee aware of Mr. Jones’ atrocious professional reputation within the federal law enforcement community…
    As a retired FBI senior executive, I am one of the few voices able to publicly express our complete discontent with Mr. Jones… without fear of retaliation or retribution from him.”
    – Donald Oswald, former FBI Special Agent-in-charge, Minneapolis Division
    5)We’re talking about:
    *** Obama’s Unconstitutional “Executive Orders” and actions.
    *** Re-inventing ATF’s agency’s so-called “existing authority” as a back-door way of imposing new gun control,or even gun bans, without Congressional approval.
    *** Increasing red-tape in order to criminalize more law-abiding gun owners, gun dealers and firearm transfers (private, public and commercial).
    But it’s not just about what B. Todd Jones will do. It’s about what he’s already done. The U.S. Senate has a opportunity to reject policies of the President’s anti-gun agenda, and scandals surrounding Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department. Oppose Sen. Reid’s cloture vote. Pray. Amen. Join a Tea Party…United We Stand!

  6. Sydney says:

    Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3.
    Stand your ground….

  7. Jim22 says:

    So. What about ex post facto laws? As I understand the term it refers to laws adopted after an act is committed making it illegal although it was legal when done. In this case the ex post facto prohibition seems to apply.


    • notamobster says:

      No. This doesn’t apply to crimes committed before they were classified as a crime. That is forbidden by the Constitution.

      This is decades-later enforcement of a law. Just because the general public wasn’t aware that they were no longer grandfathered, doesn’t negate the fact that they’re currently illegal. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      If you are in possession of one, without the precisely completed BATFE paperwork and tax stamp, you are violating one of many retarded laws, which the .gov is now deciding to enforce (however stupidly).

  8. reboot says:

    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a 711 store. The federal version of that are jackbooted thugs. But hey, what happened to “fast and furious”?

  9. RJ says:

    Moot point for me, I’m kinda one shot one kill kinda guy.
    Never really got into the spray and pray method.

    That being said, it just goes to show there are so many convoluted federal laws and regulations on the books, if they want you they will get you for something.

    Hell I had someone recently tell me I was not supposed to burn an old tractor tire, or some previously waterlogged insulation on my brush pile, violation of epa reg blah blah. Could be written a ticket….

    Screw em.