Just enough of me, too much of everybody else
October 20, 2009Little Green Footballs was the blog that introduced me to blogging. When I first discovered it in 2002, it was a fine conservative blog and its owner, Charles Johnson was a center/right sort of guy. He later became very well known for helping to expose Dan Rather’s Bush/ANG fraud. I would visit the site daily up through about 2008. Then Johnson went crazy.
I don’t know what caused him to lose his mind. Some say it was his divorce. Others say that he became asphyxiated during one long self induced Obamasim. I don’t know what it was, but he went from center/right to raving moonbat leftist. He set out to purge his registration site of anybody who is remotely conservative and banned thousands – including yours truly. I can’t even tell you why I was banned other than I posted a, you know, conservative comment. In any case, the guy is right in there with the Daily Kos on the political spectrum now.
His blog is worse than Kos, however. At Kos they still allow some dissent. At LGF, even the slightest comment in which disagree with Johnson gets you permanently banned. The result is that LGF has become a leftist site where dozens of sycophants fight to be first in line to fellate, what they believe to be, Johnson’s strawberry flavored johnson. It is a vomit inducing experience to wallow through the jackassery.

Still, I waded through the fever swamp so you wouldn’t have to. Today, for example, Johnson is shocked and appalled that Rush Limbaugh suggested that New York Times environmental blogger Andrew Revkin kill himself. Why should Rush suggest this? Because Revkin suggests requiring people who have children to be taxed for doing so.
I recently raised the question of whether this means we’ll soon see a market in baby-avoidance carbon credits similar to efforts to sell CO2 credits for avoiding deforestation. This is purely a thought experiment, not a proposal. But the issue is one that is rarely discussed in climate treaty talks or in debates over United States climate legislation. If anything, the population-climate question is more pressing in the United States than in developing countries, given the high per-capita carbon dioxide emissions here and the rate of population growth. If giving women a way to limit family size is such a cheap win for emissions, why isn’t it in the mix?
Well, he wasn’t so blunt as to actually say we would punitively tax people for having children. No, what he is suggesting is that people who don’t have children should be taxed less. Of course that is EXACTLY the same thing. If people without children are taxed less, then people with children are taxed more. Basic logic…
Rush simply stated that if Revkin believes too many people in existance is destroying the earth, he could do his part to reduce the number of people emitting C02 by committing suicide. Rush’s point was that Revkin obviously believes there is just the right amount of Revkins on Planet Earth; there is just too much of everybody else. Rush thus showed that the Revkins of the world want other people cease to exist, but they want to keep right on existing. Typical leftist hypocrisy.
Back at LGF, Johnson makes these comments….
Read Revkin’s piece. He does not suggest any kind of governmental population control at all. He mentions “baby-avoidance carbon credits” and “giving women a way to limit family size.”
These are voluntary suggestions, and he even makes it clear that he isn’t seriously proposing it, just bringing it up for discussion.
I don’t get why this should be controversial at all. It seems like completely straightforward common sense to me. Why should anyone get upset if other people choose to use contraception, for whatever reason? And why should anyone get upset if voluntary incentives to use contraception are offered to people?
Let’s see if we can’t enlighten Johnson. John Marshall, Supreme Court Justice from 1801-35, left us this memorable quote: “The power to tax is the power to destroy.” Marshall was arguing that the power of taxing the national bank by the states could be exercised so as to destroy it. Therefore, since the states obviously didn’t have the right to destroy the bank, the didn’t have the right to tax it.
Obviously the right to procreate is a natural right that precedes and transcends any government. No legal government has the right to destroy families or procreation so they have no right to tax it. Any government that attempts to tax procreation is obviously assuming the right to destroy procreation. This government would be engaging in tyranny of the most loathsome sort.
Johnson would likely argue that not having children rewarded with tax benefit, not that procreation is being taxed. As I pointed out earlier, this is logically absurd. If we were to create a tax code that divided the population into parents and the childless and, because they are parents, taxed them at a greater rate than the childless, the effect is exactly the same. Taxing the childless less is exactly the same thing as taxing those with children more.
There is no more sacred an institution than the family. It is at the core of our humanity and it transcends time, race and culture. Its existence is a universal aspect of the human condition. To argue that it could be curtailed by government coercion is to advocate for an especially virulent type of totalitarianism. Revken is wrong for suggesting it and Johnson is a idiotic ideologue for defending it. In any case, I agree with Rush. They could each contribute to the advancing their cause by offing themselves as soon as possible.

Poster promoting China’s disastrous and tyrannical One Child Policy.


James :
Date: October 20, 2009
If government were to be population neutral, would deductions for dependents be eliminated?
Would parents pay for their children’s schooling rather than property taxes of others?
Mankind like any other species will reproduce until environmental constraints impose limits. Those limits can be unpleasant. I would much rather live on an earth that was not near its carrying capacity, retaining some natural beauty.
However, government would be the worst entity to limit population.
R.D. Walker :
Date: October 20, 2009
Once a child is born, he or she is a citizen. It is an entirely different situation to provide tax benefits to certain citizens than to punish even being born. Even if their is a tax benefit for having children, it is very different. It is a very different matter to provide tax benefits encouraging people to exercise their natural rights than punishing them for doing so.
You will not live long enough to see the planet anywhere near its carrying capacity. Alarmism about overpopulation has been ongoing since Thomas Malthus wrote An Essay on the Principle of Population in the early 1800s. In the mean time, having the government decide who gets to procreate is nightmarish.
R.D. Walker :
Date: October 20, 2009
From the The Population Bomb (1968) by Dr. Paul R. Ehrlich
The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970′s the world will undergo famines–hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate, although many lives could be saved through dramatic programs to “stretch” the carrying capacity of the earth by increasing food production. But these programs will only provide a stay of execution unless they are accompanied by determined and successful efforts at population control. Population control is the conscious regulation of the numbers of human beings to meet the needs, not just of individual families, but of society as a whole.
Nothing could be more misleading to our children than our present affluent society. They will inherit a totally different world, a world in which the standards, politics, and economics of the 1960′s are dead. As the most powerful nation in the world today, and its largest consumer, the United States cannot stand isolated. We are today involved in the events leading to famine; tomorrow we may be destroyed by its consequences.
Our position requires that we take immediate action at home and promote effective action worldwide. We must have population control at home, hopefully through a system of incentives and penalties, but by compulsion if voluntary methods fail. We must use our political power to push other countries into programs which combine agricultural development and population control. And while this is being done we must take action to reverse the deterioration of our environment before population pressure permanently ruins our planet. The birth rate must be brought into balance with the death rate or mankind will breed itself into oblivion. We can no longer afford merely to treat the symptoms of the cancer of population growth; the cancer itself must be cut out. Population control is the only answer.
James :
Date: October 20, 2009
By subsidizing an activity you must take from others not involved in that activity. Not really different than any other government action.
There are little hints of problems.
My well now runs dry during summer.
It’s harder to buy affordable beautiful large land parcels. Texas hill country is being subdivided. World species extinction has risen due to habitat loss and poaching. The island of Hispanolia, Easter Island, St. Matthew’s Island are examples of life at carrying capacity and extinction. We’re maybe globally centuries off, but it is happening.
The $64M question is what will happen after peak oil? The Haber-Bosch process produces the bulk of modern plant fertilizer from natural gas. Mankind’s population has exploded in the last 150 years due to energy use of fossil fuels. Are we already beyond carrying capacity without this energy?
I just finished a math book chapter last night about Verhulst rate equations and phase diagrams. I did some predator-prey programming models for fun a few years ago. Fast reproducing species without predators go extinct.
James :
Date: October 20, 2009
Apparently Dr. Paul R. Ehrlich doesn’t acknowledge Man’s desire to control his fellow man leads to corruption, murder, and totalitarianism.
R.D. Walker :
Date: October 20, 2009
I agree with you regarding subsidizing activities. My point was that subsidizing people for exercising their rights is annoying. Punishing them for exercising their rights is nightmarish.
Again, there have been 200 years of doomsayers telling us that the population limit was looming in the near future. I doubt that is the case. The rate of population growth has slowed in the industrialized world. I don’t know when or if peak carrying capacity will be reached, but I don’t expect to see it in my lifetime.
I fear government power more than I fear the population bomb.
James :
Date: October 20, 2009
Man predates upon himself. We may be OK.
We WILL see the effects of Peak Oil in our lifetime. Ghawar and Cantarell are already in decline. Energy will get very expensive, and life will make adjustments.
Governments are actually anti-evolutionary. They subsidize failure at the expense of the successful at all levels. Natural order is disallowed; we’re reaping those rewards now.
MadBrad :
Date: October 21, 2009
Wow, does that also mean that welfare checks will be progressively reduced as the number of children in wlefare dependent families increase?
How silly of me.
AW Mens :
Date: October 21, 2009
The far left has mastered the art of bringing up something so totally wacked out, that if the idea or thought was fully reasoned through in its infancy, would allow all but the most ardent moonbats to see (and agree) how wacked out it really is. They must go on offense early by indigently pummeling those who point out what they are really saying (some form of state control of the right to procreate doesn’t play well with voters).
You must therefor call a duck a chicken early on or the masses can’t be slowly moved to believing something.
Conservative thinkers (you know….those who employ some form of rational logic in their thinking) tend to point out the craziness of these liberal ideas (or veiled suggestions) very early. Why? Because we have a constant moral compass and we also know it’s much easier to pluck a noxious weed when it is small than after it has totally overtaken the garden.
If the uniformed lazy thinker could simply be allowed to sucked in for awhile as these noxious weeds are allowed to grow, liberals would be far far happier.
Attacking the dissent rather than defending the idea is how liberals roll. Not a new concept to most of here at the Revo.