On Golden Showers & Orange-Tinted Skin

I struggle to think of a time when our country was more divided on any issue, than it is today, on Donald Trump (other than the obvious “Civil War era” where we fought each other to the death over our division)

While I freely admit that I have been openly hostile to and an ardent opponent of Donald Trump the candidate, I have put that aside (largely) since he received the nomination, and almost entirely since won the presidency. I am hopeful that he will make solid decisions and do good things. I will give him a shot. This is obviously a bias toward the Republican candidate, without regard to his historically-stated politics. I never gave a similar deference to Barack Obama, because he said he despised everything I love and live for.

I think Donald Trump is a jackass of the highest order, as do many of our fellow inhabitants of the United States. That said, I don’t remember anyone ever having been treated with such virulent and overt disrespect, as an incoming president. The media, the intelligence community, the global community, everyone seems to hate on Donald Trump. I have reasons for my dislike that revolve around my worldview which might be shared by 3% of the global population, so I know that isn’t it. I also dislike him because he acts like a crude, immoral, jackass. Half of the voters pulled the lever for a crude, immoral, jackass in Hillary Clinton, so I know that isn’t it, either.

Is he really that much of a threat to the status quo, that even his own party set out to sabotage his presidency? John McCain admitted to sending the golden showers report to the FBI. The media hates him. Half the people hate him. His supporters think he can do no wrong.

Personality cults aside, is it possible that those who support Trump have seen enough of the slanted, agenda-driven media and politics that they are with the under-dog for the whole ride, come hell or high water?

I really struggle to find any reason that the entire world hates this guy and would fail to extend the basic deference to an incoming president that has been the standard in American politics for our entire existence. Is it a combination of the hate-fueled leftist rhetoric and a generation indoctrinated simpletons? Are we thus, doomed to ever suffer the denigrations of the left toward any candidate who isn’t their choice?

This new “Intelligence Report”, in my estimation is completely, unequivocally false. It has less to do with actual intelligence than it does with smearing a man who people love to hate. It’s a perverted attempt to cast a long shadow on the presidency of Donald Trump before it even begins. Think of how many times you’ve ever seen a man treated like he was already the president, when he hasn’t even been inaugurated yet? Everyone made fun of Barry for having his pseudo-presidential seal, because he wasn’t the president yet, but Trump gets eviscerated day in and day out by the media, the blogosphere, and now the intelligence community.

I am really not proud of what my country has become. That has nothing to do with Donald Trump, and everything to do with the degeneration of our political discourse to a puerile contest of who can be the most inanely frustrating to whomever they don’t happen to like.

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75 Responses to On Golden Showers & Orange-Tinted Skin

  1. R.D. Walker says:

    Trump is treated far worse by far more people than Obama ever was. Obama had an adoring press. Trump has a press that hates him.

    On the other hand, while the the scale was microscopic by comparison, the whole “Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya who will cancel elections and establish a dictatorship” aspect of the attacks on him were just as virulent as on Trump. Just much less widespread. Their scale was trivial by comparison.

    I think a couple things are at play here.

    First, you are correct. Republicans take way more heat than Democrats. Democrats have the media on their side. There is a reason the term “Bush Derangement Syndrome” is a thing and it has nothing to do with Trump. The media loved Obama as much as they hate Trump.

    Secondly, Trump decided he would play political hardball much to the schoolgirl-like delight of his fanbois. He calls names, he makes unsubstantiated accusations, he mocks, he ridicules, he shamelessly boasts and he gets right down in the mud and shit to fight it out. He chose the game. He called the rules. You don’t get to play that game and then whine when others choose to join in.

    • notamobster says:

      I agree inre: point 2. He brings much of it upon himself.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        I was in the air cavalry in the 82nd Airborne. Because we had pilots, we had a lot of warrant officers. These are men you have to call sir and salute but have no leadership roles. Like everywhere, some are cool and some are assholes.

        I recall one pudgy, 20-something W-1 was an asshole always flipping the enlisted men shit. Once I was working my ass off on something on a hot day and got all red faced and blotchy accentuating whatever acne I had. This guy asked me if my face was attacked with an ice pick. I responded with a comment about the size of his giant ass in his Nomex flight suit.

        He said ‘come with me’ and took me over to the platoon leader – Captain Briggs – and demanded that I be disciplined. The PL heard both sides and then told the W-1 that he doesn’t get to call the game and then whine when others choose to play. Then he gave us a side-by-side lecture on military bearing.

        Good memory.

        Captain Briggs wherever you are: respect, sir!

        • notamobster says:

          Nice. I was at a secret hooch with a Reserve F16 pilot from Ohio who was being a dick. Being that we were both breaking the law, UCMJ, and SOFA, I checked him on his mouth.

          He said I can’t make statements like that to an officer, so I asked him if I’m entitled to my opinion.

          He replied in the affirmative, so I said “Good, cause I think you’re an asshole.”

          Everyone laughed and his buddy pulled him away from a bad situation before it turned into a fight at a place neither of us should have been.

          Not the same, but still a funny memory.

    • DocO says:

      In one of my rare disagreements with RD, I don’t think Trump did chose the game or rules.

      The rules are chosen by the progessives in the MSM, the Intelligentsia and the Gliteratti.

      These groups absolutely dominate the discourse of the American political process.

      They shape the battle field, the define the terms and they select what stories to discuss.

      The battlefield and the stories all cast Republicans and conservatives as stupid and/or evil, and Democrats as virtuous but sometimes incompetent (due to their super large compassionate hearts don’t you know).

      Republicans may or may not have known these were the rules but they engaged in symmetric warfare by choice thinking they could win. They never had a chance because the battlefield had already been shaped to make victory impossible if they restricted themselves to fight “clean”.

      Fighting dirty was always an option, but to my estimation was never embraced by the Republicans, because as always the MSM would cast them as mean when the did this, and simply ignore Democrats when they did the same thing.

      Donald chose to engage in asymmetric warfare to win. He excelled at it.

      I’m sorry the country has been reduced to this level of political process, but the progressives have created the need for someone to throat punch the shit out of the progessives in the MSM, the Intelligentsia and the Gliteratti.

      That’s why to some extent I support him. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, but he may be an ally. He’s an imperfect (that’s an understatement) ally and one I would not chose, but allys are defined by circumstance largely, not simply choice.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        “Donald chose to engage in asymmetric warfare to win. He excelled at it.”

        Well, whether he called the game or just responded to the left calling it, he is playing it with gusto and to win. I think that pretty much eliminates any credible claim to be a victim of it.

      • fasttimes says:

        i agree with you Doc.

        additionally, Nota, i am not so sure the amount of people who seem to hate trump, is as big as it seems. when you have the media on your side, even if its a small number, they can make it seem like that number is several orders of magnitude large than it is. the media is like a force multiplier.

        • notamobster says:

          I see and hear a shit ton of people who hate on him, from both sides of the spectrum. I’d suppose half of those who voted for him only voted against-HRC, not for-DJT.

          The entire system seems to hate the guy, but in fairness, America seems more optimistic than it has been in my adult lifetime (9/11 & post-9/11 era).

          It’s a weird confluence that I struggle to put into words (which almost never happens).

          • R.D. Walker says:

            Well, there is always a lot of optimism when a new president takes office. The Obama adoration was stunning. They had children singing songs of praise in his name. They called him a ‘lightworker’ who would bring about a new age for humanity. I could dig up tons of this shit.

            It was a bit tempered by the fact that housing bubble just burst, the TED Spread was at an all time high and banks were falling like Jenga towers. Still, the optimism was there.

            One small example…

            British recording artist Sting says President Obama could be the answer to the world’s problems – the divine answer.

            “In many ways, he’s sent from God, because the world’s a mess,” he said in a new interview with the Associated Press.

            • notamobster says:

              Yeah, but this is an economic optimism that goes beyond the normal “Yay, new guy” cheerleading.

              Maybe it’s an internal bias because I feel optimistic even though I hate the guy. Rose-colored glasses and whatnot.

      • notamobster says:

        Trump excels at this childish tit-for-tat. It’s a large part of why I dislike him. Similarly, it’s a large part of why I dislike politicians.

        It’s entertaining for sure, but most of my entertainment isn’t suitable for public discourse and definitely not for governance.

        I do this shit with my friends, because it’s funny. I would never do this in a public setting, as an official representative of anything. The behavior is unbecoming of a man, except among close friends, in jest.

  2. miforest says:

    Is it really so hard to see that the GOP has the same backers as the democrats?
    Why do you think they have rubber stamped everything Obama has done?
    Washington is a club where the big money donates to both sides.
    the reason I support trump is that He is not part of that club. The only True outsider I have seen get elected.
    I worked , donated , and fought for the Tea party and conservatives to win back the house and senate in the 2010, 2012, and 2014. I was as shocked as everyone else when the gop voted for continuing resolutions to fund all of Obama’s programs without any fight.

    I have given my money to Toomey,cruz,walker, benvin, and a ton of others. but “our” party has been taken over by the rove PAC and the big money . you should be afraid like I am .
    both of our partys are corrupted.
    When the thugs started beating trump supporters and the GOP did nothing to stop it, It was clear to me that they don’t give a dam about their base. THE people who were being beaten were long time church going tax paying conservative republicans like me with a lifetime of working for the for the party that they were allowing this to happen to.

    I had wondered why neither party will do anything about criminal illegal aliens, the abuse of Christian businesses by trolling gay rights activists, the Crazy child abuse of the Transgender community people doing permanent surgeries to take the balls off prepubescent boys.

    Why are we bringing all the terrorists here? look at the latest shooting in ft Lauderdale . the perp has been radicalized for years. he attends the only mosque in Alaska. but the mainstream media have colluded to not report this . look at the san Bernardino shooters, why are they being brought here , why doesn’t the gop do something to stop this ?
    Its because the GOP is corrupt. They are bought by the same billionaires as the democrats.

    We are completely screwed. we have got BIG problems.

    whatever else trump is , he is not part of the cabal of power we have to unseat . so the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    The media is manipulating us all.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Once you are elected president, you are by no definition an outsider. You are, at that point, the definition of an insider. You are the insider against which all other insiders are measured. He is now the head of a new cabal of power. We shall see how that goes.

      Donkeys live a long time.

      • miforest says:

        your complete trump derangement has clouded your judgment . you are blinded by hatred.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          your complete trump adoration has clouded your judgment . you are a blinded fanboi.

        • notamobster says:

          Trump derangement? Because he said the guy is no longer an outsider? C’mon man.

        • miforest says:

          there is a huge entrenched bureaucracy with the lobbyist, congressional stafferers , political action committees controlling the money, the entrench rulemaking apparatus, the house and senate ,
          the media , the federal reserve and banking infrastructure. NGO’s, an alphabet soup of unions and “think tanks” . trump controls none of it. and never will.
          there is the elected government , and the permanent government. the permanent government is much more powerful.

      • fasttimes says:

        yes, technically speaking, if you are outside of something, once you get in you are no longer out side.

        but thats not what people mean when they refer to trump as an outsider. and i know you know that.

        i don’t know why that bothers me, but it does enough to comment.

        i guess i should be more frustrated with myself though. words have meanings and objective definitions, but we speak in subjective terms all the time. i don’t know, trump is still an outsider. i think the OP proves that. he inside the office, but he still aint an insider.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          He controls the executive branch. His appointees are at the head of all of the departments. He has a cabinet in control. His party controls both houses of congress. He has virtually dictatorial power over foreign policy. The man is a born billionaire with thousands of connections and power that is beyond the scope of almost all mortal men who have ever lived.

          If he isn’t an insider, the word has no meaning and we should all just stop using it and ‘outsider’.

        • notamobster says:

          I do know that. He was the under-dog. Everyone laughed at him and discounted him. He is technically the ultimate insider now, but he’s not a product of the system.

          You’re right about that and he has the unflinching support of those who feel that way. This whole shit show is only going to get worse as time drags on.

          Back to my comment a minute ago. The republic is doomed to failure, because the difference in this country have become irreconcilable. Between parties, within parties, between not insignificant portions of races, religions, & ideologies.

          To piggyback on a great quote: When ideas don’t cross lines, bloodshed conflict will.

  3. notamobster says:

    This all just further nails the coffin door on my position that the republic, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing reshaping event, is finished.

    There is a point where differences become irreconcilable. We have long-passed this point, in my estimation.

    • miforest says:

      We are fuc*ked and you guys want to play word games.
      instead of addressing the real problems or idea. ” well technically he’s not an outsider because he’s the president”
      I don’t care about trump, but If the entrenched interests can delegitimize him, we’re Fu*ked faster.

      Our country is being destroyed completely and utterly.
      the government is corrupt and the media complicit.

      • notamobster says:

        Words mean things. Not so much, your words, many times, but words objectively mean things. As for cultural marxism and us “not addressing real problems”, perhaps you should study the 30,000+ posts on this site by a handful of people who you just accused of “not addressing real problems”.

        We’ve been addressing those real problems for many years, Johnny-come-lately. You come here and run your fucking mouth, insulting those of us who give an inordinant amount of our time and energy – FOR FREE – in the advancement of individual liberty, limited government, and the ideals that made this country great!

        When I search the term “cultural” or “cultural Marxism” i come up with 7 pages of posts (334) on the matter and the lions-share of what we discuss is centered around the culture war that’s destroying this country, which you seem to have only discovered when your orange god ran for office.

        GO FUCK YOURSELF, you insulting little prick.

        • Doc says:

          YEAH, DAMMIT!! ALL THAT STUFF nota JUST SED!!

          …but does th’ aforementioned insulting little prick tape his di…oh…wait. Wrong post.
          …shit! I H8 it when I do that…

        • miforest says:

          ” the advancement of individual liberty, limited government, and the ideals that made this country great! ”

          no , no you don’t . to really work for that you would recognize the complicity of the GOP and much of the “conservative” media complicity in that.

          THAT is the real takeaway from the trump election. since when have you addressed my question about the timing of the “pussy grab” tape? never , because if its “muh GOP ” doing the dirty deeds then you don’t want to see it.

          open you eyes to the seriousness of the overall situation . this isn’t the old dem vs gop situation. The GOP needs reform and we in the base have to do it. we cannot do it by supporting the same people who have sold us out for so long. you have too much of an emotional attachment to those traitors.

          that goes for you too doc.

          • R.D. Walker says:

            That’s the salient aspect of the pussy grabbing tape? The timing of its release?

          • R.D. Walker says:

            We get it dude. You think Trump is some kind of a savior. I don’t. I don’t think any man is. Truth be told, it will be the same shit on a different day. It always will be. The sun will rise, the sun well set, the powerful will conspire, fortunes will be made, fortunes will be lost. Vanity of vanities, it’s all vanity.

            Donald Trump doesn’t know you exist and he couldn’t give a shit if you live or die.

            If you want to hitch your hope for a better future on this clown’s wagon, that’s your business. Go for it. Good luck. Tell us how Trump made you feel more fulfilled in your life. How he gives you reason to get up in the morning. About your plans for when America is great again thanks to the enlightened leadership of Donald J. Trump.

            We will wait.

          • notamobster says:

            Oh my gawd! I know he dittint!

            Listen you half-wit motherfucker, I’ve been giving 7 days a week at all hours of the day and night to this fucking website for nothing more than the opportunity to engage some of the brightest, most intellectually-consistent minds I’ve ever encountered in discussion of the topics I mentioned.

            For you to come here and tell me that’s false, shows that you’re rubbing the sticks together but the intellectual fire just ain’t lighting.

            There is not a single GOP-first writer on this site! NOT. ONE. And me? I’m not even a republican, you fucking asshat. You talk about the conservative media, you’re a fucking charter member of the trumpbart crowd.

            The only thing you care about is trump and your half-assed ability to be associated with someone else’s “winning” hoping that it might rub off on your pathetic attempt at being able to reason with the grown-ups.

            I’ve posted no less than hundreds of posts, essays, and articles calling out the GOP, the media (conservative & otherwise), and annoying fucks like you, but here you are – just like herpes – no matter how much one might wish it away, you just keep coming back.

            I would engage you in a polite-ish manner like I do everyone else but you’re a piece of shit.

            • R.D. Walker says:

              Personality cult man. It’s no different than any other. This guy is self-actualizing by associating himself with Trump. He thinks Trump is a winner and, if he supports Trump, he too is a winner.

              It is as pathetic as it is common. Donald Trump wouldn’t suffer a paper cut in order to save miforest from colorectal cancer but he feels that Donald Trump loves him. I mean, that phenomenon is painfully obvious with roger but I think it is here too.

              Those of us with libertarian leanings just aren’t cut from that cloth.

              • notamobster says:

                If he’s trolling me, it worked. He got my blood pressure up.

                • R.D. Walker says:

                  Yeah, that never happens to me.

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

                • miforest says:

                  why is rd so obsessed with trump? I have posted here a number of times that the release timing of the release of the tapes shows that the GOP establishment betrayed CRUZ. but he always wants to talk about trump.
                  It’s very odd , and not healthy.

                • miforest says:

                  don’t get too worked up. spend time coming up with thoughtful arguments and links to support them here. I do not intend to insult you , but I do think there are thinks not addressed in all the trump posts here.
                  You may not like it but we are all in this together.

                  I am afraid time is too short for all the trump bashing here . he isn’t even in office yet.

                  If we do not hold the rest of the GOP to task , all the work in electing him will be in vain. BTW Debt is now $20T and that doesnt include unfunded mandates.

                  tone policing tweets is not productive.

                • notamobster says:

                  No. We are not on the same side.

                  I’m on the side of individual liberty, the Constitution, and limited government. You’re on the side of trump. I don’t know how you don’t get this? I didn’t put in hard work to get Trump elected. I worked pretty hard to keep him from being nominated and lost real world friends because I refused to vote for him. I voted for Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party. How’s that for GOP-first?

                  If you have a reply, put it at the bottom of the page please.

  4. R.D. Walker says:

    “Yeah, but this is an economic optimism that goes beyond the normal…”

    Allow me to quote the F.A. Hayek part of “Fear the Boom and Bust”.

    The place you should study isn’t the bust
    It’s the boom that should make you feel leery, that’s the thrust
    Of my theory, the capital structure is key.
    Malinvestments wreck the economy

    The boom gets started with an expansion of credit
    The Fed sets rates low, are you starting to get it?
    That new money is confused for real loanable funds
    But it’s just inflation that’s driving the ones

    Who invest in new projects like housing construction
    The boom plants the seeds for its future destruction
    The savings aren’t real, consumption’s up too
    And the grasping for resources reveals there’s too few

    So the boom turns to bust as the interest rates rise
    With the costs of production, price signals were lies
    The boom was a binge that’s a matter of fact
    Now its devalued capital that makes up the slack.

    Whether it’s the late twenties or two thousand and five
    Booming bad investments, seems like they’d thrive
    You must save to invest, don’t use the printing press
    Or a bust will surely follow, an economy depressed

    Your so-called “stimulus” will make things even worse
    It’s just more of the same, more incentives perversed
    And that credit crunch ain’t a liquidity trap
    Just a broke banking system, I’m done, that’s a wrap.

    This is the kind of thing that makes me truly understand Benjamin the Donkey.

  5. C. L. says:

    My opinion. The media, the DNC, the intelligence community, and a few GOP who hate Trump are, in my opinion, about to have everything blow up in their faces again. They have gone so far off the rails this time that they are going to push a lot more people to become Trump supporters. I say that because they are making him a complete underdog with this shit, and a lot of people sympathize with underdogs. Add them to the people who liked him because he was NOT an underdog and his base will grow by a lot. It’s the same ridiculous shit that got him elected in the first place. Everyone is fed up with it, and some of those who were fed up but not willing to back Trump are going to go that way because of the circus they are even now still putting on.

    As an aside, it’s time for McCain to go.

  6. Dave J says:

    We would be better served if we assumed that all “news” is fake. I have always been somewhat skeptical, but much more so now.

    • fasttimes says:

      when i read the cnn story, i knew it was not a real story, or at least mostly knew. i didn’t want to be insulting to Uke (still don’t) on the OP with that cnn story, but it kind of seemed like it was posted with being read. it literally said nothing. it was all supposition.

      the contributors here, from my experience, and much more keen on picking up stuff and really thinking things out than i am. i would have expected most or all of them to have the same reaction to it that i did. the fact that it was not presented as it read (highly questionable) shows me how serious the media/fake news stuff really is. it is as you guy have pointed out about climate change, almost impossible to know what is real and what isn’t.

      We maybe or perhaps already have begun a decent back into a kind of ‘dark age’. that thought is becoming more and more concerning for me.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        As a credit to just about everybody here, when you posted the link there was about 15 minutes of “holy shit” followed immediately by “there is no way this can be true”.

      • Uke says:

        All I did was pick up a major story from a major news outlet and post it here. I posted clearly in the title that it was CNN reporting, and posted updates as new info became available disputing the initial report, to boot.

        True? Fake? Doesn’t matter. Take it up with CNN and Buzzfeed. It was their shoddy reporting if it turns out to be fake. I simply posted what looked like it was going to be the story of the day, and engage good discussion.

        In my defense, I think I was right on both points.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          Dude. If you didn’t post it, I would have. If I didn’t, Nota or Jim would have. There is no way in the world this blog wasn’t going to talk about this issue.

          In any case, I don’t think fasttimes is being critical. After all, he is the one who posted the actual link to the actual document.

          There is this thing that blog critics do where they try to condemn you for talking too much about one thing and not enough about another. It is a stupid little game milkforest was doing today. I don’t think fasttimes was doing that.

          • Uke says:

            Eh. More or less. Didn’t like the implication that we didn’t “think things through,” but I wasn’t trying to be too mean about it. Brusque, though, it certainly came off.

            Way I see it, not all of our posts are “thought” articles. Many are just “reposting/reporting,” and the “thinking” is saved for the comments section. That was my intent with that one.

            (Takes quite a bit of time, effort and energy to come up with a decent “thought” article, as the cob loggers know.)

            Either way, no offense meant toward fasttimes.

            • R.D. Walker says:

              Shit man, we aren’t journalists. We are unpaid cob-loggers on a High Capacity Assault BlogTM that doesn’t even have Google Ads. If you want fancy pancy fact checking high ethics journalism you shouldn’t be hanging around on poli-blogs anyway.

              Noting our terms of use...

              The information on the blog may be changed without notice and is not guaranteed to be complete, correct or up to date.

              • fasttimes says:

                Uke, i wasn’t trying to be overly critical or suggest that you guys don’t think things through.

                even though i push back against some of the post i think are a bit silly critical (my opinion only) of trump, this would absolutely be a point to blast him over.

                i am thankful that it has seemingly been outed as not a real story. CNN, Journalist my ass.

    • fasttimes says:

      probably a good time for everyone (especially the media) to recall the story of the boy who cried wolf.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        Yeah, they should. The idiots are vaccinating 😉 Trump against scandal making him immune. After enough Fake News, nobody will believe anything… even if it is True News.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        Some might argue, on the other hand, that this is just a case of Fake News Karma for America’s number one birther conspiracy booster, huh?

  7. R.D. Walker says:

    Does anyone believe that if HRC would have eked out a win Breitbart.com, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh would be models of decorum congratulating Madame President and asking everyone to put down their partisanship and unite behind the new president?

    Of course not. Partisans are doing what partisans do.

    • miforest says:

      they were tough but fair to obama .

    • Squib Load says:

      It’s more than partisanship. The MSM is full meltdown because they can’t face the truth. The crazy allegations are an emotional defense mechanism. They will go “Ancient Aliens” level nuts before the end of it and make Alex Jones looks sober.

      This is going to be fun to watch.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        Yeah, I don’t know if I agree. A lot of people were in full meltdown mode over Obama. The difference really isn’t of intensity but of scale. The MSM is in meltdown now so it is bigger but it was the same shit on a smaller scale with Obama.

  8. C. L. says:

    Go back one year. There? Okay. Who, a year ago, would have imagined a spirited, lengthy, and in-depth discussion on the Revo with the title On Golden Showers & Orange-Tinted Skin?

    It has crossed my mind that I may have missed something profound when I watched On Golden Pond many years ago. I was quite naïve back then.

  9. MadBrad says:

    What goes around, comes around.

    This one is going to bite pretty hard…

    http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=162348

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