Administration orders crackdown on illegals…

But spares ‘Dreamers’.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly moved Tuesday to implement a host of immigration enforcement changes ordered by President Trump, directing agency heads to hire thousands more officers, end so-called “catch-and-release” policies and begin work on the president’s promised U.S.-Mexico border wall.

“It is in the national interest of the United States to prevent criminals and criminal organizations from destabilizing border security,” Kelly wrote in one of two memos released Tuesday by the department.

The memos follow up on Trump’s related executive actions from January and, at their heart, aim to toughen immigration enforcement.

The changes would spare so-called “dreamers.” On a conference call with reporters, a DHS official stressed that the directives would not affect Obama-era protections for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and others given a reprieve in 2014. But outside those exemptions, Kelly wrote that DHS “no longer will exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement.”

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51 Responses to Administration orders crackdown on illegals…

  1. notamobster says:

    By all means, please get to cracking. It’s about damned time.

    Hopefully they’ll get cracking on removing the incentives to come here in the first place (welfare, illegal jobs, etc).

  2. Uke says:

    But outside those exemptions, Kelly wrote that DHS “no longer will exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement.”

    I think this is an important point.

    While exempting Dreamers from deportation enforcement is totally reasonable, and arguably the only practical thing that can be done, you cannot telegraph ONLY deportation of “the worst criminal illegals.”

    Obama telegraphed that he wouldn’t deport anyone unless they were “really bad.” This acts as de facto legalization of illegal immigration as long as you don’t deal drugs or kill anyone.

    From an enforcement perspective, you tell people you’ll deport everyone, but behind closed doors you tell your guys to focus on the worst elements, while still allowing them the discretion to go after someone just for the illegal immigrant status.

  3. fasttimes says:

    the second best way to “crack down” on this, outside of incentives, is to go after employers. to do that the gov’t has to have a good system set up to verify a person’s credentials.

    i think this is a very reasonable position to take and is/will be accepted buy people who are hardline on immigration, when they see enforcement of the current laws.

    • notamobster says:

      Going after employers is part of cracking down on incentives. There are multiple ways to prevent illegal employment:

      1) Fine employers who don’t use e-verify

      2) Round up illegal alien workers

      3) Charge YUGE tax fines for employing illegals, back medicare, ssi, payroll…

      • BigJimTX says:

        You can’t go after employers until you fix the US citizen welfare system. Illegals will do more, better, and harder labor than anybody you’ll pick up off of the street. These guys get paid $120/day cash to work as long as necessary and they do it seven days a week. They don’t have unions or labor laws or minimum wage. And the truth is that there is work that only they will do. Only because you have almost half the population that gets paid to sit on their collective asses at home. Gotta fix that first. Otherwise shit is going to get real expensive for construction services.

        • Joe says:

          And a majority of those “hard workers” are taking unreported income and are able to draw every government benefit as well. The county I live in has “migrant benefit outreach coordinators” that travel to the illegal housing locations to sign them up for welfare, snap, educational assistance upon entry into the locality. I wonder how much those day laborers swinging framing hammers are actually costing taxpayers? So yes, by all means let’s enforce welfare restrictions across the board and first remove the pool that should have never been drawing in the first place.

          • R.D. Walker says:

            “And a majority of those “hard workers” are taking unreported…”

            They are hard workers. No reason for the quotation marks to undermine that point. I have seen them work hundreds of times.

            On any given summer day, I can drive through any American city and see Hispanics working hard while hundreds of black and white Americans engage in porch sitting.

            Are the majority taking welfare? I don’t know but I know they work their asses off harder than most natives. I have first hand experience with this fact.

            • Joe says:

              Yesterday you spoke to your insulation. I live in an area absolutely inundated with illegals and I see plenty of both hardworking illegals and porch sitting illegals. Furthermore, there is still a cost associated to those hard workers shifted from the private sector to the public sector, drawing benefits on top of their tax free wages. I would tell the chamber of commerce to advocate for increasing legal immigration and visa programs to meet labor pool requirements but don’t hold up illegal immigration as the only way to get “hard work” done.

              • Joe says:

                Finally, after talking to the migrant coordinator I can say that I know a large majority of illegals in my locality are taking benefits. The illegals have no special honor over Americans that preclude them from taking free money.

              • R.D. Walker says:

                I did not speak of my insulation. I spoke of my background. I have visited all 50 states and lived in three. I have lived outside the 50 states. I ran a business on Guam. I have visited 30 countries, one as an invader. I have acquaintances around the world. I am not insulated.

                Even if I were insulated, I have a family member by marriage who runs one of the largest egg producing companies in the world here in Iowa. Guess who primarily works there in the hundreds. Guess who cleans out my family’s hog confinement facilities between loadouts. Guess who works in the dozens of slaughterhouses around here. I am not without experience in this area.

                I don’t have a problem with legal migrant workers. I appreciate all they do.

              • R.D. Walker says:

                If people are improperly drawing welfare the solution is to stop improperly paying them welfare.

                The primary malfeasance there is with the stewards of the welfare system.

                Welfare is supposed to go to people sitting on their asses, not hard workers. Make it right.

                • Joe says:

                  “Welfare is supposed to go to people sitting on their asses, not hard workers. Make it right.”

                  Since when has advocating for the rule of law been controversial? Proponents of illegal immigration use the same type of flippant remarks when individuals speak of enforcing existing immigration laws.

                  Speaking of businesses, I am for the same application/enforcement of the law against companies who knowingly hire illegals. Businesses breaking the law should not be unfairly subsidized by illegal labor while other businesses comply with the law.

                • R.D. Walker says:

                  I was being quite serious. Welfare isn’t for hard workers. It is for people who don’t work. It shouldn’t be paid to people who are workers. It is for porch sitters. If it is being paid to people who are working, it is a breakdown of the system.

                • miforest says:

                  The way it workds hete in SE Michigan , according to people I know personally in businesses that employ illegals is the head of the family often works under the table for cash. the woman of the family , with no marriage records in the us , and the children collect welfare, utility assistance, food stamps, medicad and child tax credits.
                  It is very expensive for the communities because they have to provide bilingual education, school lunches , etcetera.
                  I was on a jury a number of years ago. a young man from somewhere that spoke Spanish was charged with murdering a native youth. they were both in contention to be the “undocumented pharmacist ” in the same area.. what a tragedy.

  4. C. L. says:

    I don’t have a problem with leaving the dreamers alone. A year ago, I had a much more black and white opinion on that, but my sense of fairness kicked in about the dreamers, even though illegal is illegal.

    On hard workers, two things.

    1.) In the city where I lived until two years ago the Walmart there expanded into a Super Walmart. The construction crew was mostly Hispanic and they could not speak English. This was quite a novelty in our neck of the woods. They seemed to be working hard and got the job done.

    2.) At about the same time the Walmart was being upgraded, another novelty occurred. A Hispanic gang selling drugs moved into the rental directly across the street from my house. They were a scary bunch and the whole neighborhood was nervous. It was mostly senior citizens at that time. We watched many dozens of cars go in and out of there on a daily basis, with the young drivers staying an average of 10 minutes. One day I took a clipboard and stood in the middle of the street for about an hour, taking down license plate numbers. I physically blocked cars from exiting their driveway, the drivers of which were being very reckless, telling them they were not going to act like this in my neighborhood. My wife was very nervous and did not want me doing that but I was not about to surrender our nice neighborhood to them. (all of the young kids were white high school aged) I gave the list to the police and told them what was happening. They were gone within a week and the neighbors who saw what I did let me know they were grateful. I always wondered if some of those hard-working Walmart construction workers were part of the crowd across the street, or if the bad element just tagged along.

    That’s anecdotal, I know, but nevertheless very real to me.

    • Joe says:

      C.L. – That is an incredible story and thanks for sharing. I applaud your efforts as it is easy to type but much harder to effect change.

      They only thing I will add about the dreamers is this. I think the concept is great but in application, “dreamers” is a political coined phrase much like “refugee” is in Europe. Refugees in Europe consist of thousands of muslim fighting aged males that should be fighting to save their own countries. In America, while there is a group of young children considered to be “Dreamers” there is a much larger group of illegal adults taking advantage of the protected status.

      • C. L. says:

        Thanks. That really is a true story and the adrenaline was pumping that day. I don’t think it hurt that I am well over 6 feet and I was in real good shape at the time, and a type A problem solver.

        When I speak of Dreamers, I mean only the children who came here years ago through no fault of their own and, to them, America is pretty much the only country they know.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Stealing the jobs of red blooded American drug dealers?

      • C. L. says:

        Apparently so. 🙂

        I think I would have had deep second thoughts on doing that if it was white guys. These dudes had to keep the lowest profile they could and I knew that. They stuck out like a sore thumb just because of their race. That’s not racist, just a fact of life where there are almost no non-whites at all.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          I hear you.

          My point is that there are bad actors in the world. Some are black, some are white, some are Hispanic. That white drug dealers exist does not reflect badly on white people like you.

          It isn’t your fault that some white people cook meth. The existence of white meth dealers and users tells us nothing whatsoever about C.L. and his family.

          That some white people steal welfare benefits tells us nothing about RD and his family.

          That’s all I am trying to say.

          • C. L. says:

            I hear you, too. We’ve definitely had our share of white trash drug dealers around here, as well as welfare leeches. I would guess that 90% of crime is by whites here and it’s probably 97% white.

            When I was growing up, no one locked their doors at night in our neighborhood. I miss those days.

            On the other hand, I rented out my other house for the last year and a half to a nice Hispanic kid with a good job. I have no complaints. He was born in the US.

          • Joe says:

            This has nothing to do with race so the conflation is not needed.

            I do not care if the illegal alien is white, black, yellow, or purple. If they are an illegal alien then they can leave and enter the country according to the rule of law.

            It is also important to note it is necessary to call out crime committed by illegals. It represents the only criminal activity that can be prevented before it occurs by removing the illegal alien for the original trespass offense.

            Criminal activity conducted by Americans can only be dealt with through law enforcement and the judicial branch after it occurs. For example, it is worth nothing when an illegal kills in this country. The death could have been prevented with stricter enforcement of existing immigration laws.

            • R.D. Walker says:

              Yeah, I know. You really, really, really want the illegal immigration problem resolved.

              Well so do I. I feel about two percent as strongly about the issue as you do, however.

              • notamobster says:

                Illegal immigration polls very highly as important, across the political spectrum. I’m with Joe in his desire to deal with the matter – and the importance of doing so.

                I think the wall is stupid and getting rid of the incentives to come here would be much cheaper and much more effective.

                • Ben says:

                  Yep. Hit them employers and the benefits everything else will sort itself out.

                • R.D. Walker says:

                  I don’t oppose the crackdown on illegals. I am not excited about it either. Ultimately, I expect it will have either no impact or a slightly negative impact on my life.

                  Five years from now when I need to have my house reroofed, it will cost $9,000 instead of $6,000.


                • R.D. Walker says:

                  Regarding the wall… I always say you can’t make your house ant proof. If you want to get rid of ants, keep a clean house.

                • Joe says:

                  “I expect it will have either no impact or a slightly negative impact on my life.”

                  All because of where you live. Today for instance, I will take my kids to church tonight for CCD. The classes consist of a handful of American children and no less than 30-40 illegals who speak little English. Most of the adults are very nice but their children have attitudes and have at times picked on the American students (the minority) because they are not Mexican or not Guatemalan. My children don’t take their crap but I have talked to a few of the students who are intimidated. This is occurring in a religious class, I can’t imagine what is going on in public schools in the area and I am glad my kids don’t have to worry about that.

                  My point, uncontrolled immigration will effect your grandchildren’s life so I would suggest you are thinking too small when you worry about the cost of your roof in a few years.

                • R.D. Walker says:

                  Little Hispanic bastard bullies are worse than little Caucasian bastard bullies?

                • Ben says:

                  R.D. That was a little unnecessary. Joe made it clear his problem is with illegals regardless of race.

                  The known illegals he encounters just primarily are from south of the boarder.

  5. notamobster says:

    I heard Donald Trump is building his wall around New Mexico, too.

    No sense in having new Mexicans when he’s trying to get rid of the old ones.

  6. notamobster says:

    It’s CNN, so mi-nion won’t believe it, but nearly 90% of Americans (long-term average) find Illegal Immigration to be an important political matter.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      I believe it. I will be honest. I have a problem with illegal immigration. It is illegal.

      Now, having said that,of the last 30 years the United States has all but sent out engraved invitations to come and left the porch light on and the door open.

      People came here. Set up housekeeping here. Lived here openly as illegals. Established lives here and gave up lives in their homelands.

      Basically, Uncle Sam said:

      “You must obey immigration law!

      Wink, wink, I didn’t really mean it.  I just have to talk tough.  C’mon in and stay awhile.  I won’t bother you.

      I can’t help but feel bad about that. Still, I suppose the law is the law but there is concept in law called adverse possession in which trespassers who trespass long enough can come to own the property on which they are trespassing. The law exists because there is an implication in the law that if you don’t enforce your rights long enough, you are giving tacit approval to the occupation of your land.

      Just food for thought.

      • notamobster says:

        I’m a “law & order or accept the consequences” guy.

        In this case, the consequences of building a house on legal sand, is your house gets blown down and you get shipped off to Mexico.

        That the law has been selectively enforced matters not in this case, as an enormous segment of the populace has wanted it enforced, and it indeed has been, if selectively. (BHO deported more people than 5 prior presidents combined)

    • miforest says:

      some munchkin must posted this, the type is to small to read.

      It could be right , I’d admit that almost 10% of hat CNN put out is true. the problem is you never know what 10% it is.

  7. R.D. Walker says:

    “R.D. That was a little unnecessary. Joe made it clear his problem is with illegals regardless of race.”

    Is the problem because they are illegal or because their children are bullies? It is a relevant question. He did argue that the problem was they were little shits and not that their immigration status is out of whack.

    If we oppose illegals because they are illegal, there isn’t much more to say.

    If we oppose them because their children are a menace civil society, that opens a whole lot of other questions that I am interested in knowing the answer to.

    Are their children worse than the little black and white shits that populate ever corner of America?

    If so, is it a function of the fact that they are in America illegally? Is it because they are Hispanic? Is it some other reason? Are the Hispanic children of Americans also worse little shits than black and white little shits?

    Ultimately, if Hispanic kids are naturally little shits, I would like to know it. It is an issue 100 percent separate from immigration status.

    • Ben says:

      I think his stance was described pretty well above when he said any costs and harms induced by illegals are the only ones that are 100% preventable in advance by enforcing existing law.

      If we enforced existing law they would not be here to bully or murder or rape or whatever.

      I sort of get it in that is is the only class of criminals that can be completely stopped before they commit any damaging acts.

      It’s almost like pre-crime, but the first thing they did was break the law.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        I guess that makes sense. Fair enough.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          I would argue, however, that the best argument against illegal immigration is that it is illegal.

          The other argument is perilous. I might not be the only one who hears, “We need to keep these people out because their children are a problem.” That approach isn’t productive.

          • Ben says:

            They are the only little shits we have a valid reason to exclude from the get go before they can grow up to be big shits. I think is Joe’s point regardless of what race they are and the presence of native shits.

            I see how it could be misconstrued.

  8. C. L. says:

    RD, does the egg farm really employ hundreds of illegals, or are they here legally with permits? There is a big difference in that, to me. I would hope that those workers could be here legally if the work needs to be done.

    I have mixed feelings about that because I think there are far too many Americans in this country who think they are too good for work like that. Our welfare system is a failure because it has created the conditions for so many people to feel that way. In the meantime, the work still needs to be done and the people who are willing to do it should not have to fear deportation.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      It doesn’t employ any illegals. It employs legal, migrant workers. I know my sister-in-law’s husband doesn’t feel like he has any choice.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        It is hard work. It is bio-sensitive work because of the always present threat of bird flu. It is high security work because there is a fear of bird flu terror strikes against these facilities. I have never seen them because you can’t visit without a legitimate purpose. Much is managed by Homeland Security.

        Yet it takes migrants to make it work.

      • C. L. says:

        I thought as much, but your comment above left that question open, as it was in the discussion over illegals. I don’t have a problem with legal workers.

        If I ever make it down your way I hope you’ll have time to show me these egg and hog farms. Farmers rock.

        Oh, scratch the egg farm per your comment above. I was writing that when you made your comment.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          As I said above, I can’t even access the egg farms. Too much security. I will happily show you the pigs, however. Even that will require biosecurity procedures. 🙂

          • C. L. says:

            That’s cool. I’ve worn many different types of protective ensembles, some of which were specific to being around things that would make most people shit their pants. Figuratively, and literally. Think SLUDGEM.

      • miforest says:

        there have been legal migrants coming into the us at least since I was a kid to do agricultural work. I don’t know why you think we are conflating that with Illegal unrestricted unchecked unveted immigration
        that comes across an open border.
        I don’t have any problem with that. They were used for De-tasseling hybrid corn and harvesting gladiolas and apples where i lived as a kid. It was seasonal work.