Never, Never, Never, Never Surrender

So says former London mayor, Boris Johnson.

Dubbed as a “powerful, Churchill-inspired message” to ISIS, I think quite the contrary.  While a famous Churchill quote designed to instill fortitude, resilience and hope in a time of crisis, it also (especially in this context) connotes that ISIS has the UK on the ropes and that the British people should not “surrender” to it.  Germany had the British on the ropes during WW II, but that is far from the case regarding ISIS.

So why all this talk of ‘no surrender’?  The answer is obvious.

The difference between the UK of the 1940’s and the UK of today (and between Johnson and Churchill) is that the British people of 1940 clearly understood who the enemy was, and set forth on a path to destroy them before being destroyed themselves. That is not the case today.  Today, we put enemies on a list.  We watch them.  We try to track their movements and activities.  At best, we deploy obstacles and inject difficulties in an attempt to make their actions harder to execute or more difficult to plan. The “never surrender” speech is translated into modern day as “We will wait, unabated and without loss of resolve, until the next time our enemy strikes”.

This is more “Neville Chamberlain” that Winston Churchill. You cannot win a war on defense alone.  You cannot win by appeasement. But that’s the apparent strategy and policy.

Much better Churchill messaging would have been:

I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”

–Winston Churchill


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9 Responses to Never, Never, Never, Never Surrender

  1. notamobster says:

    The world is too “civilized” to do what needs doing, these days.

    So, the question becomes “What is needed to make the people of the West do what needs doing?”.

    The answer is simple and requires one word: carnage.

    The people of the West need to suffer. It is the only salve, for what ails us on all fronts… Comfort.

    • Jim22 says:

      “The world is too “civilized” to do what needs doing, these days.”

      I would change that by adding one word: “The western world is too “civilized” to do what needs doing, these days.”

      The eastern world is perfectly willing to do what it takes to accomplish their goals of world domination. They are doing it and to the west. It is only we in the west who suffer from the effects of civilization.

      • notamobster says:

        I actually intended to type that, Jim. Auto correct put in the word ‘wear’ so I deleted it and forgot to put in West and wrote world instead.

        • Jim22 says:

          Yes. Again we are in agreement. The western world will see a level of carnage that no one can imagine, whether we want it or not. Americans are again fortunate because we are separated from the eastern world by oceans and because we, as individuals, will fight back.

          European governments have emasculated their men so they are easy to cow with violent murder, rape, and allegations of racism. So far that has not happened in the United States – except in places like New York, Washington DC, and school campuses. Outside of those places that are controlled by cowards there are Americans who will fight for their families and their friends.

          Our country is unique in the world, in spite of those who would destroy that difference. We have guns, we know how to use them, we carry them, and we use them to protect ourselves and those we hold dear. We are also independent thinkers who reject the weakness promulgated by academics and other weak-kneed whiners. We quietly go about our lives and consider ourselves to be unremarkable.

  2. miforest says:

    Nota, you are on the right track, but I am more pessimistic , I would say we have plenty of carnage , and still our answer is to bring in more faithful from the most radical areas of the middle east.
    To say don’t surrender is to say you will continue to fight . I defy anyone to show me any way in which any western country is fighting terrorism. The corrupted governments of the west are fighting any effort of the people to resist the conquest.
    the west is toast . We are being beaten by men with resolve.

    • notamobster says:

      You & I apparently have very different definitions of carnage. The day to day stuff is life.

      What I’m talking about is several orders of magnitude higher than today’s norm. Suffering is required, as I said. Some attack in London or Paris doesn’t do it.

      Hell, even on New York, it was only a few months and most of America forgot we were out there. My best friend had the same status for 2 years of combat deployment: “America isn’t at war. We are at war. America is at the mall.”

      I put friends in the ground, whom I am better to have known, who would beg to differ that we aren’t fighting terrorism.

      We’ve taken back almost all of Mosul from the goat humps since Trump was elected.

      Our brothers are on the ground in places you’ll never hear about, drones & “cargo” planes (whose cargo consists of enormous guns & munitions) in air space that doesn’t show up on any flight plan, reticles on faces that’ll never know they were there… All day, every day.

      There are many hear who did these things and you never knew… Who sacrificed wives and relationships with kids, and friends, and body parts, and their lives… Bearing scars and pain that will never heal so you can run your ignorant fucking cum dumpster about how no one is doing anything.

      Go fuck yourself.