More Americans are stressed out these days…

Lingering effects of Great Recession blamed.

More Americans than ever before are stressed, depressed and anxiety-ridden, and many are unable to get the help they need, a new study suggests.

An estimated 8.3 million American adults — about 3.4 percent of the U.S. population — suffer from serious psychological distress, an evaluation of federal health data concluded. Previous estimates put the number of Americans suffering from serious psychological distress at 3 percent or less, the researchers said.

“Mental illness is on the rise. Suicide is on the rise. And access to care for the mentally ill is getting worse,” said lead researcher Judith Weissman. She’s a research manager in the department of medicine at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York City.

Mot everyone is concerned. This group of Maine Democrats thinks a raise in white male suicides is funny. (Source)


Question: If the relatively minor impact of the so-called Great Recession drove people to despair – some to the point of mental illness – what would a real TEOTWAWKI like Preppers Vindicated do to the population?

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52 Responses to More Americans are stressed out these days…

  1. R.D. Walker says:

    I feel sorry for those who are stressed out so badly but it makes me wonder…

    The Great Depression was far, far worse in terms of hardship. That tells me one of two things…

    1) Stress and mental illness were far worse then but simply not reported, or…

    2) People are a lot more fragile today.

    I suppose it could be both.

    • miforest says:

      Mr pony tail is channeling about half the freaking professors on any college campus you can find today.

  2. BrunDawg says:

    What would a real TEOTSC look like? (sc – SNAP Card)

  3. notamobster says:

    People are weak. We’ve been crushed under the weight of excess, ease, & leisure. Most of our society has never even gone hungry. Not once.

    It’s hard to be tempered by the crucible of reality when your entire existence has been shielded from it.

  4. Bman says:

    That piece of shit had a ponytail, too. That’s all you need to know about the dirt bag.

  5. fasttimes says:

    ” what would a real TEOTWAWKI like Preppers Vindicated do to the population?”

    the thought of that is what makes that story so scary.

  6. BrunDawg says:

    I thought we were only spoon-fed an allowance of fear. With Putin, Kim-Jong-un, al-Asad, ISIS, and (according to the media) Trump, the fear-lot is full. No need to stir up Avian Flu, Zika Virus, Ebola, SARS, etc. The closest medical scare I can find is some brain-eating viral lungworm in Hawaii. Who has time to linger on a not-so-great recession?

  7. fasttimes says:

    the weird thing is, i personally feel better now than i did this time two years ago. perhaps ignorance really is bliss.

  8. Squib Load says:

    I think a 2008 job loss was a contributing factor in the untimely death of my best friend.

    The culture of my company has not recovered from the great recession. The layoffs tore friendships apart and broke strongly held assumptions about the nature of work and loyalty. Those of us who where around during those times are not the same. We don’t socialize as much or want workplace camaraderie. Who wants to pal around with someone you might have to lay off?

    As for the laughing dems, reflect for a moment how much taxes you have paid over the course of your working life. These people happily take your money for their pet projects and at the same time wish you dead. That really stings.

    Wonder what they think of me? I’m not genetically pure white. Do I get a pass?

  9. C. L. says:

    Hmm, all those soft, clueless people in the big cities, living out their lives blissfully unaware of what’s going on around them. They are going to be crushed if TEOTWAKI ever happens.

    There are groups of hard, ruthless people in the big cities who are used to hardship and violence. They are bad dudes and dudettes. They usually wear the same colors or have the same tats, or make secret hand signs to each other. These people will be on their game as soon as anything happens. They are used to situational awareness as second nature.

    By the time the softies even figure out what’s going on it will be too late for them. They are toast. They think they can get violent? Hah! That’s why I liked seeing the antifa f**kheads getting their clocks cleaned the other day. They are babes in the woods where real hard survival violence is concerned. They don’t seem to understand that the violence will be returned to them, brutally. They think they are stressed now? Hah! If they ever get the anarchy they want they will be crushed by their own creation.

    I am glad to live where I live and I am happy that Nota found a better place, too, as far as this sort of thing is concerned. I hope many of you others who might be living in big cities think about it.

  10. miforest says:

    good to see you coming around. after all the mockery the suggestions that lower middle class whites were struggling got in earlier posts.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Coming around? I think that stressing out in this environment is fairly pathetic. Hell, the economy is in good shape. If you are stressed now, you are going to melt into a quivering puddle of piss if real hard times hit.

    • notamobster says:

      Lower middle class everyone is struggling. That comes with being lower middle class.

      Why is everything about race with you?

      • miforest says:

        The video above is about wanting white people dead. RD put it up . If I misunderstood what he was posting about, then I stand corrected.

      • miforest says:

        and I thought the video was linked to this.

        “In 1999, the mortality rate of white non-Hispanics aged 50–54 with only a high school degree was 30 percent lower than the mortality rate of blacks in the same age group; by 2015, it was 30 percent higher. There are similar crossovers between white and black mortality in all age groups from 25–29 to 60–64,” they said. And the trend was triggered by “deaths of despair.”


        and I am well aware that everyone is affected.
        The life of lower middle class and lower class that I remember from the 60’s and 70’s had a lot more dignity and seemed to have less stress.

  11. DocO says:

    I’ll offer a contrarian proposition here.

    The effects of the Great Recession are not the primary agent of angst in our society.

    Actually, some studies indicate suicides decrease during hard times
    “Historical studies conducted by sociologist Steven Stack and others have discovered a noticeable dip in suicides and related violent events when there is society-wide anguish, for example, in times of massive immediate grieving in periods of wars and economic depressions.”

    The real problem is the irreconcilable ideological divide in our country that was exposed by the election of Barack Obama in 2012 and the legislation of the progressive Democrats during his first term in office and Obama’s subsequent re-election in 2012.

    After 2012 I discovered that many in my own family were actively supporting a political agenda that I believed was meant to enslave me and anyone else who would resist the progressive agenda.

    We currently live in a country with no shared identify or values.

    Another study I read today indicates that our happiness is derived from the depth of our relationships.

    “The clearest message that we get from this 75-year study is this: Good relationships keep us happier and healthier. Period.”

    I believe that the ideological rifts in our country have decreased the depth and number of significant relationships we now have and this is what is driving the current despair in this country.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      I agree that they aren’t stressed because of a loss of material standards of living. I don’t think they have seen a decrease in material standards of living. I think a lower middle class American has a greater material standard of living than the average upper middle class American had in the 1950s.

      I think material standards of living are at an all time high but I definitely do not think quality of life is at an all time high. Certainly not for the lower half of the middle class.

      What stressed people are feeling isn’t a lack of material things. They are feeling a lack of status.

      Fifty years ago a blue collar high school grad (or even drop out) got a job, got married, had children, joined the volunteer fire department, the Jaycees, the American Legion and the local Masonic Lodge. He bowled in a league. He put on a jacket and tie went to church every Sunday. His wife belonged to the Ladies Auxiliary and the PTA.

      Yeah, he was a welder but in those groups he rubbed shoulders with business owners, bankers, etc. In socializing with these people and contributing to his community, he gained social status that wasn’t job or wealth dependent.

      No more. Now he doesn’t own a jacket and tie. He doesn’t get married and, if he is in a relationship at all, he is shacking up. He doesn’t join clubs. He doesn’t belong to a church. He is just slouching through life.

      You don’t get status by shuffling through life, half-assing everything you do. But that is what many millions of men are doing. And then they get stressed because they get no respect.

      No, there is nothing wrong with the material standard of living of the proletarian class. When the proles say the middle class is dying, what they are really saying is that they have suffered a loss of status and “don’t get no respect”. That loss of status and respect has them stressed out.

      • nessa says:

        RD, I think alot of what people got from Society was job oriented, “Making a good, honest living,” used to count for a lot. The banker realized he didn’t know how to fix the flat tire on his car, the guy who did know had an inherent value to the banker’s life. Same for the plumber, the electrician, same for everyone who contributed to the advancement of society. Nowadays a blue collar job is looked down upon. Assuming a blue collar trade merely means, to far too many in our society that you took the easy way out and just got a job. Hell you could have wasted years of your life, forced the govt to pay for years of education and gotten a degree in African-American Transgendered Literature (both books! even the uncolored one) and then taken a job as a bureaucrat in the Social Services Dept of your local government, while continuing to live like a tick, sucking the life from your local taxpayers. I chalk it up to the changes in society. A job used to be required to earn respectability from society, now its acceptable to a drain on society and draw all your funds from the back of the taxpayers.
        There is an inherent societal value in doing any job and making your own way in life, there is no value in being a drain on society and stealing the very oxygen that keeps your sorry-ass alive, but society no longer see’s it that way.

      • DocO says:

        I agree that decreased expectations for the proletariat are also adding to this angst.

        Charles Murray explores much of what you’re touching on in his book “Coming Apart”.

      • miforest says:

        The ” average guy without a college degree” can’t get a job that would allow him to support a family . most women won’t marry a guy can’t or won’t support her and their child, even if she works.

        Real median houseold income has been falling since 2000.
        It’s worse than even that chart looks, because the hours worked during the same time has gone up to get that income.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          Nobody owes them a living. They need to do the same thing conservatives have been telling black Americans for years: Quit whining and get their shit together. There is no Prosperity Fairy. It’s on them.

          • notamobster says:

            No, RD, it’s the job of the government to tell companies what to do and how to do it. Didn’t you know that?

            Companies exist to create jobs.

            You invest our own money – that you scrimped and saved – to risk on a chance – so that you can give it all away to lazy union workers who want to retire at 37 and make six-figures.

            What about people in CA who lost their jobs to lower-paid Texans? The feds should intervene to prevent the loss of high-paying California jobs.

            • miforest says:

              don’t be silly , companies exist to save the environment! I see it on all their ads, so I know its true.

              • notamobster says:

                You say that like you’re joking, but you’re who I was talking about.

                You believe the govt should force businesses, to do as they say, or else.

                • miforest says:

                  ” You believe the govt should force businesses, to do as they say, or else.”
                  If you are saying that I think business should follow the law , I guess so. what government says is called ” law” .
                  I do not believe in anarchy.

                  I am a small government guy. common defense, protect the integrity of the borders, and enforce lawfully entered contracts are all I really want them to do. But where we are now with the levithan state, thats like wishing the holy roman empire would return. aint gonna happen.

                • notamobster says:

                  Every single trade exchange that is not conducted on the black market is done legally.

                  What you’re really saying is you want the govt to change the laws to force companies to do what you and trump think is best, no matter how stupid, under color of law.

          • notamobster says:

            The average guy without a college degree can learn a skilled trade and write his own ticket, these days. The college bubble has also created a skilled trades bubble. The difference being that skilled trades are useful.

            • miforest says:

              yes and no, trades apprenticeships in this area are fairly hard to get. the union halls require companies to take on people as apprentices for 4-5 years before they get their journeyman card and can do much independent work.
              at which time every other company out there is trying to poach them. It they are successful, the the company who put them through the apprenticeship is out the money invested.
              so there is a lot of work for journeymen , but it’s still quite hard to get into an apprenticeship program.
              In more rural areas , there are hardly any.
              journeymen here in any major trade make as much or more than engineers.

              • R.D. Walker says:

                “the union halls require companies to take on people as apprentices for 4-5”

                Four to five years of low paid work before you can start making a real living? That’s unheard of. The college educated don’t have to suffer that… kind… of… Oh. Wait.

                • miforest says:

                  you missed the point here , the money quote woq further down the post:
                  ” there is a lot of work for journeymen , but it’s still quite hard to get into an apprenticeship”

              • R.D. Walker says:

                Well. The college educated don’t have to compete for a limited number of positions… … …. damn it.

              • R.D. Walker says:

                At least the college educated have many job opportunities in rural areas… … Oh never mind.

                • miforest says:

                  in rural areas there are few trades opportunities, because the small number of business that employ trades.

              • notamobster says:

                I learned a skilled trade through the military. It pays very well… Especially if you get into management.

                My brothers both learned skilled trades in the most rural areas with ZERO union involvement. One is a carpenter & woodworker. The other is a glazer (owns a very successful glass company, not donuts).

                They both do pretty well, no formal education or union involvement required.

                • miforest says:

                  In Michigan , in metro Detroit area you can only go through an apprenticeship with a licensed journeyman, and the shops are all union , this give the unions defacto control over the entry into the trades. I am more familiar with electrician, carpenters/millwrights, pipefitters.

                  Glad to here they are doing well.

  12. fasttimes says:

    “The ” average guy without a college degree” can’t get a job that would allow him to support a family .”

    this is patently false.

    • miforest says:

      Damit ! you caught me . well it was worth a try.
      BTW, how much, in your opinion does a man have to make to support a family?

      • notamobster says:

        He is right. That claim is patently false.

        On its face, that claim is ridiculous.

        The majority of American men don’t have a college degree, yet their families seem to be getting by. Sure, most wives have to work these days, but that happens.

        Throughout human history, men & women have both worked.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          “Sure, most wives have to work these days, but that happens.”

          Back when most wives didn’t work, there was a lot less stuff to by. In 1960 you didn’t need to earn money to buy cell phones, Internet, computers, cable, video games, air conditioning, air travel, advanced medical care, multiple cars and on and on. Many wives wouldn’t have to work today if families lived like they did in 1960.

          • miforest says:

            That’s a false choice because the social structure in 1960 that offset the need for those things doesn’t exist anymore. there are not going to be other women with kids in the neighborhood to spend time with, extended family is typically farther away, social clubs and organizations that provided entertainment , advice, and support are gone.
            Also , the neighborhood that would allow you to live that way on that budges are crime ridden dangerous and isolated. That was not the case in 1960.

            • R.D. Walker says:

              Yeah, expectations of what constitutes a ‘decent’ material standard of living have skyrocketed.

              These goods and services represent a very real increased material standard of living over 1960. That increased material standard of living comes at an increased cost.

              If you want to maintain the material standard of living at 1960 on one income, you can.

              • miforest says:

                I found this in a census report from last year. , This is what I was talking about . Whether you can support a family on this or not depends on where you are.

                “In 1975, only 25 percent of men aged 25 to 34 had incomes of less than $30,000 per year. By 2016, that share rose to 41 percent of young men,” according to the report.

        • miforest says:

          this may be an overgeneralization on your part . family formation is falling off a cliff for the younger age brackets. So is the marriage rate. those are undeniable facts. my statement is an observation of why these trends exist. even though most wives have to work , women are not a attracted to men who make significantly less than they do. maternity leave is mostly unpaid, and child care costs if the wife work eat up to much money to make family life sustainable for two low wage earners. One spouse has to make enough more than the other to offset these costs . women prefer that it is the husband.

      • fasttimes says:

        caught you doing what? were you purposefully trying to put forth a statement you knew on its face was false? seems like a tremendous waste of time.

        to answer your question please define, “support” and “family”.

        • miforest says:

          support – You know , the usual stuff, afford food , housing ,utilities, taxes , child care if the wife is going to work, medical care , transportation, clothing and deductibles.

          as far as family, I was thinking something hetronormative, CIS-gendered and monogamous. although I understand that others may not agree with that definition.

  13. R.D. Walker says:

    “In 1975, only 25 percent of men aged 25 to 34 had incomes of less than $30,000 per year. By 2016, that share rose to 41 percent of young men,”

    Clearly that is adjusted for inflation since in 1975 the median income was $8,630.

    By 2013 that had grown to $44,888.

    According to the online inflation calculator, $44,888 in 2013 would be equal to $10,155 in 1975.

    Therefore, individuals were making about 18% more in 2013 than they were in 1975.

    • notamobster says:

      And the biggest reason their cost of living was higher, was because they had a higher material standard of living. I wish I could find the numbers on color TVs, phones, cable, internet (I know) to compare. Just from my growing up in the 80’s:

      One TV
      One phone
      One/two cars
      Small house
      No air conditioning
      No cable
      No internet
      No cell phones

      If you want to live like folks did in the 60’s, you can. Down size.

    • miforest says:

      RD – You misread my comment .

      41% of men in that age group are making LESS THAN $30k

      25% of men in that age group are makin LESS THAN $30k

      So more men in 2016 are making less than $30K than were making less than $30 in 1975.

      Also the census used inflation adjusted $ in the report that quote came from . so its apples to apples.

      NOTA I grew up in the 1960’s-70’s.

      • notamobster says:

        Then, we shouldn’t have to spoon feed you this shit.

      • R.D. Walker says:

        Yeah, I don’t know what that means. On average, people are making more, even after adjusting for inflation, than they were in 1975. I don’t have the standard deviation so I don’t know if that is because of a few billionaires or not.

        Here is what I do know from personal experience: Material standards of living in 2017 are way, way higher than in 1975. It isn’t even close.