Do Christians need to be delivered by Trump?

I found this when I was searching for an image of Cyrus the Great to add to a Miley Cyrus quote for the Spurious Quote Spoof.

A big theme among Walsh’s pro-Trump followers is that God can use ungodly men to serve God’s purposes, and that they believe that God has raised up Donald Trump for such a time as this. They believe that Trump has been anointed by God — that he is a modern-day Cyrus the Great of Persia.

Cyrus is remembered, and praised, in many places in the Hebrew Scriptures because he was the foreign king who restored the people of Israel from the exile. (See, for example, Isaiah 45, or the opening chapters of the book about that Trump-like rat-bastard Ezra.)

And that is what these white Christians are looking for — for some all-powerful figure to end their exile. Because they imagine they are in exile — that they have been taken out of their land and had their nation taken away from them.

Maybe Christians are losing their privileged spot in society for a reason. Maybe we are being returned to our natural state as outsiders. Maybe, we are being returned to the way things were during ante-Nicene Christianity.

Early Christians lived under anti-Christian policies in the Roman Empire. They lived among pagan populations. They were made to pay for their faith for their refusal to honour the pagan gods.

It’s easy to be a Christian when being a Christian means automatic social inclusion, standing and privileges. Faith is put to the test when there is a price to pay.

That seems more realistic than Donald Trump is going to lead Christians to the Rapture.

Just a thought.

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18 Responses to Do Christians need to be delivered by Trump?

  1. MadBrad says:

    When it served God’s purposes he made a mule talk. God can use anyone to do things he wants done, even when the person doing those things is unaware of what they are doing and why. He even used Barack Obama and I am quite sure that Obama was unaware of it.

    Tonight as I was eating dinner I thought about Glenn Beck and how he destroyed himself because he got too wrapped up in politics and forgot that God is in command. I think he somehow thought it was his finest hour. It was his saddest hour. It is utterly sad when a man who should know better leans upon his own understanding and stakes everything he is on that limited understanding.

    During the Election we had the Cyrus talk here. It came in the form of a sermon that I think Rich brought here. The writer in this case must have stumbled upon all that, as it was going around a bit. The writer then chose to include his or her own personal hatred to liven things up a bit.

    The Church thrives when it is persecuted. A Faith that is untested becomes lazy and ineffectual. Christians who are living their Faith will be tested, that is what we are promised. We do not look for our salvation to come from a politician. As such all the news of the day that is published continually is nothing more than hay and stubble (taken from the ancient Hebrew word; Covfefe).

    • R.D. Walker says:

      I heard the “losing our privileged place” from our new pastor. He is a doctor of theology. He feels that the privileged position of Christianity in America wasn’t necessarily good for the Faith and that we may well be entering a time of trial and renewal… and it will be a good for the Christ’s Church.

      • E. Willers says:

        “I heard the “losing our privileged place” from our new pastor.”

        I would like to hear that sermon, R.D. Is it online?

        • R.D. Walker says:

          It wasn’t a sermon, unfortunately. It was over dinner. It was fairly compelling.

          We were discussing how a generation ago nothing was ever scheduled for Sunday mornings and schools kept Wednesday nights clear for church youth activities. No more. He said that in past generations church membership was almost mandatory to be included in polite company. No more. He said that lack of any relationship with a religious organization would have been career limiting. No more.

          All of that social pressure put a lot of people in churches who were there for reasons other than the faith. He suggested that perhaps that wasn’t really healthy.

          He talked about the strength of the early church. He talked about the fundamentals of a faith that isn’t based on financial and social reward.

          I was intrigued.

          • E. Willers says:

            I would have loved to listen in on that conversation. The Church has lost it’s primacy in American culture, even in the Bible Belt. It is even viewed as antithetical to its own teachings, e.g. loving our neighbor, but opposed to same sex marriage. Where many would get defensive and discount outside criticism, I see value for the church in the opinions of nonbeliever, for isn’t that the audience that we are trying to reach. Outside opinion should not reshape Christian doctrine, as I believe it to be immutable, but it should force the Church to consider if we are really living the doctrine at all. G.K. Chesterton distills down my thought, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.”

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Donald Trump, however, doesn’t know the difference between Pentecost and a pentagram.

  2. C. L. says:

    I think God has given us a path, and every once in awhile a gifted human being comes along who reminds us about that path, but, God leaves us alone to do what we will with the free will he gave us. It is up to each individual to try and follow that path.

    I agree with the above sentiments, too. That is, adverse conditions to your faith (like Obama, Islamic terror, etc.) give you more of a reason to grab onto that faith and hold on tight.

  3. E. Willers says:

    ‘Do not flatter yourselves with the belief that a mere recital of that celebrated verse in St. John makes a man a Christian.” – Mahatma Gandhi

    I’m a fervent First Amendment supporter. I do not need a safe space and I will defend/support the right of those who hold opposing views from mine. I do think that First Amendment has an unintended byproduct of “easy believe-ism,” where the right to think as you wish and speak as you wish is so taken for granted and you can change opinions/beliefs and thoughts without having any real investment in them or any consequence. I think that this veneer of belief has infected the Church in a negative way, so that now we can go through the motions of being a Christian without having to be any different than our popular culture.

    I remember standing in the Forum in Rome and my guide said that Roman’s had free speech, but you had better believe what you were saying because it could cost you your life. That got me to thinking about what I believed and if I believed it strongly enough to put my life on the line for it.

    That said, I think that when belief starts to cost us ” our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor,” then you will see separation of the wheat from the chaff in the Church.

    • R.D. Walker says:


      I don’t think my pastor was thinking we are headed to the Colosseum but simply that in 21st Century America, being a Christian isn’t going to get you any social bonus points. Not anymore…. and that is okay.

      • E. Willers says:

        “being a Christian isn’t going to get you any social bonus points.”

        In fact, it is becoming more of a social liability to be a Christian and in some cases desirably so.

  4. Jim22 says:

    When did Christians have a privileged place? We have always been outnumbered by others. Today there are far more Muslims, Sikhs, and non-believers in the world than Christians. Many, dare I say most, of them would like to see Christians go away. It has always been so since Christ.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      When I was a kid in the sixties in rural Iowa, I lived in a town of about 1,000. We had a Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist Church. Every family except one belonged to a church and that family was considered weird in town. I hit the Facebook site for that town and asked the old folks about it. They still remember that family because it was so strange that they didn’t belong to a church.

      We said the Lord’s Prayer in public school right after the Pledge every morning well into the 1970s; a decade and a half after the SCOTUS declared it illegal. It didn’t matter in a school that was 100 percent church going Christians.

      I met my first atheist when I was 14. I had literally never met one before then. It was like sighting a unicorn.

      As I said, growing up NOTHING was scheduled on Sunday mornings or Wednesday nights so as not to interfere with church activities.

      Church was a means of networking, social inclusion, socializing and so forth.

      That’s the privileged place….

      • Squib Load says:

        Perhaps, in a way, the community was the privileged place. The loss of status isn’t limited to churches. Membership in the Kiwanis, Lions, or Rotary was also almost mandatory a generation ago. The Elks, Moose, Masons, Jaycees, Lions, etc. can’t maintain membership either. Social cohesion is down across the board.

  5. Stockton Jim says:

    I agree. Good discussion. Perhaps the internet has created a new sense of community joining people together not on where they live but more on what matters to them.