No evidence of Zimmerman being beat down

This video shows Zimmerman after his arrest. This doesn’t look like a guy with a broken nose and torn scalp. I see no sign of any injury to the back of his head. Furthermore, a broken nose would result in two black eyes, a swollen nose and a shirt covered in blood. I have looked worse than this guy after bumping my head on the car door.

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22 Responses to No evidence of Zimmerman being beat down

  1. FreedomFighter says:

    I’ve had my nose broken 3 times. Not once did I end up with black eyes, and only 1 time did I bleed enough to have blood on the front of my shirt, which was a hockey jersey.

    I’ll give you that he doesn’t look beat up, but we have no idea how long this video was taken after the shooting. It’s kind of blurry imho. I’ve been decked, like out cold, by a sucker punch that left not 1 bruise or scratch on me.

    I’m not saying Trayvon deserved killing, but I’m inclined to believe the instigator in this situation was Trayvon and not Zimmerman. We have an eye-witness and the real transcripts of the 911 call show that Zimmerman was using racial slurs to describe Trayvon while he was perceived to acting suspicious.

    Look, less than a week ago I had a confrontation with a stocky black guy at a gas station here in Atlanta at 6:45am. I’m former LEO. This guy WAS acting suspicious, slowly worked his way behind me at the gas pump thinking I was a weak target. I WAS paying attention to where he was and what he was doing. The guy NEVER took his eye off me. So when he started to slide around behind me at a distance of 25-30ft, I calmly opened the car door, grabbed the SW .38 snub-nose I keep in the center console and slid it into my pocket. As I did this I could see the guy approaching the rear of my car thru the rear windows.

    I popped up, faced the guy, went into “cop mode” and had a face off with this guy, who KNEW when I took a defensinve stance that I meant bidness.

    He smartly and quickly backed off.

    Now this station has security cams. If something had gone down would I be the bad guy for popping a perp?

  2. R.D. Walker says:

    After seeing the video, knowing that Martin was unarmed and knowing that Zimmerman pursued him and initiated contact, it is going to be difficult to convince me this was a justifiable homicide.

    Look, if we want to keep our gun rights, we are going to have to concede that when Man #1 goes after Man #2 who is unarmed and doing nothing wrong and Man #2 ends up dead, Man #1 has a heavy burden to prove justifiable homicide. I am not seeing anything close to that burden being met.

    When I understood that Zimmerman was a bloody mess, I considered that a fact in his favor. My six year old fell of his bike the other night, however, and looks worse than Zimmerman. I am still trying to see some evidence that would support the legal killing of Martin. I ain’t seeing any.

  3. James says:

    I haven’t been looking at the evidence or this story much. But if we don’t support a blind justice system, we are no better than the liberals.

  4. Uke says:

    I’ve had my nose broken. It absolutely gushed. It soaked the front of my shirt red. I got raccoon eyes.

    The only people I know that don’t get this whole deal is boxers.

    Zimmerman was at least a dbag, and now–given how high the bar for justifiable homicide must be–he’s looking like a murdering dbag, too. Unless they took the time to get him cleaned up well, I am unconvinced that he really got the crap kicked outta him.

  5. Bushido says:

    RD: I’ve asked all sorts of people that are around my home or my business, “can I help you?” “What are you doing here?” I would consider this initiating contact. I am well within my rights of doing so, even if I have a weapon.

    I look at this incident in TWO parts.

    1. Zimmerman is following Martin. He’s called 9-1-1. The dispatcher told him not to follow him. Whether he continued to or not, they are far enough apart that they are of no threat to one another. No physical contact has been made and no firearms have been pulled.

    2. Martin attacks Zimmerman. This is a brand new starting point and the beginning of part II. The situation has been taken to a new level because of the physical altercation. Martin is now in the wrong and Zimmerman is forced to defend himself. He obviously felt that deadly force was necessary. I won’t comment if he was right or wrong as I wasn’t there.

    The media and the politician keep combining the two issues. I really don’t believe that in the eyes of the law, one has anything to do with the other. The self-defense portion of the case began with Martin attacking Zimmerman.

    As Freedom Fighter mentioned, there are a lot of times that noses are broken and there is no blood. Sometime it gushes and gets over everything as you mentioned. As far as the gash on the back of the head. I’ve watched the video and at certain points it looks as if he has a cut but again it is not bloody. I don’t know if it was fabricated or if it was simply cleaned up by the paramedics.

    In response to your “legal killing of Martin.” The only thing that I would say is that every video and picture that comes out Martin keeps getting taller and older looker, Zimmerman keeps getting smaller and less bulky. The size difference isn’t as great as the media would lead you to believe. I don’t know if this justifies killing him. But it does make the fact that he was in fear for his life more believable.

  6. notamobster says:

    I’ve had the cartilage dislocated in my nose and it ruined a sweet Red Wings tee. Bled like a stuck pig, I did.

  7. notamobster says:

    Bushido – The only legal exception I see to what you said is this – part 2 was a direct consequence of part one.

    I’m not saying that the shooting was unjustifiable – just that the law CAN see the two parts as one.

  8. R.D. Walker says:

    We can speculate as to the particulars of the case all day. Here is what we know for certain…

    Zimmerman had a gun. Martin was unarmed. Martin was walking down the sidewalk of his father’s neighborhood doing nothing wrong. Zimmerman spotted him and, after being told not to by the 911 dispatcher, set out in pursuit of Martin. Martin was shot dead and Zimmerman doesn’t look battered at all.

    Maybe it was justifiable homicide; I don’t know. If I were on the jury, however, the defense attorney would have a mighty high hurdle to jump to convince me of that.

    I would need to see that either a) Martin had a weapon or B) that Zimmerman was on the receiving end of a life threatening beat-down. Absent one of those two conditions, it would be pretty hard for me to say that Zimmerman legally killed Martin.

    Look, if you shoot and kill an unarmed man out on the street, you are going to need to have a really damned good explanation. Shooting an unarmed man would have got you strung up by the neck in Dodge City circa 1872.

  9. notamobster says:

    Taking a man’s life should require some high hurdles to be justified.

  10. Rockheim says:

    This needs to be investigated completely. It seems like every day more details emerge.

    Especially this one..

    “Zimmerman told police he lost sight of the teenager and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when he was attacked. He and Martin fought, according to witnesses.”

    This changes things and adds credibility to a second series of events.

    One where Zimmerman was jumped, being beaten and THEN pulled his gun to defend himself.

    I still maintain that the brunt of the responsibility lies, lays, lie? with Zimmerman for getting out in the first place.

    But I’m not comfortable passing judgement in any way in this case.

  11. R.D. Walker says:

    “But I’m not comfortable passing judgement in any way in this case.”

    Me neither. Somebody should pass judgement, however. Needs to go to trial.

    I don’t think common law lets you shoot somebody just because he slugs you. I was in a lot of fights when I was young. I have suffered broken bones and my teeth rolled away like Chicklets in one fight. Still have a bridge rather than real teeth. Still, none of these fights rose to the level that I needed to shoot and kill the other guy, for God’s sake.

    I gotta tell you, I looked a lot worse than Zimmerman does in that video even after the fights I won.

  12. Bushido says:

    RD: you are absolutely correct. Back then we took our lumps, the better man won, and we all walked away.

    Where things start to change is when the guy doesn’t stop with just one punch and a knockdown. They keep going and could potentially kill you.

    On to another point of mine unrelated to the case at hand. Everyone watches the UFC and they all think their a damn MMA fighter. They think they are a lot tougher than they are and they try emulate what they see in the cage. What happens though is someone does get seriously injured. I was actually called in as an expert witness against a bouncer that kicked the living s**t out of someone this way.

    Back to the point at hand … If I had a guy on top on me that wouldn’t stop; I’d shoot him too!

  13. R.D. Walker says:

    “If I had a guy on top on me that wouldn’t stop…”

    …I am sure you would at least appear to have been beaten.

    “…the guy doesn’t stop with just one punch and a knockdown. They keep going and could potentially kill you.”

    That’s why yesterday I thought Zimmerman had a case if Martin attacked him. After seeing the video, I now doubt it.

    If I were on the jury, I would need to see some evidence that Zimmerman was taking a SERIOUS beating. Absent that, I would find for some degree of homicide. At minimum, negligent homicide for miscalculating the situation.

    I am as pro-gun as anyone but I am pro-life and pro-human rights too. Throwing a punch, while wrong, does not give the other guy the right to be judge, jury and executioner.

  14. BaconNeggs says:

    And… dont forget Trayvon Martin was actually on the phone talking to his girlfriend at the very same time.

    She said she heard Zimmerman verbally challenging Martin and asked… what are you doing around here?

    Martin saying …why are you following me, just before there is the sound of the phone being knocked out of his hand and going dead.

    So much for doubling back and sneaking up on Zimmerman.

    Now factor that into the equation.

  15. Bman says:

    If Zimmerman pursued Martin with his gun drawn, GUILTY. If on the other hand, he pusued him, gun holstered, and he really did get a beat down, NOT GUILTY.

    We all are painting a picture of Zimmerman’s pursuit; gun drawn, pointing it at Martin. I doubt that is what happened….although I could be wrong.

  16. Bushido says:

    Bman; I agree with you. I don’t think that Zimmerman was wanting to shoot him or that he thought he would have to.

    If he shot him as he was being attacked then you’re right, Not Guilty.

    If it comes out that Zimmerman got whooped, Martin was getting off of him and then he shot him. Then YES, he is totally in the wrong.

    I believe there will be more and more of the story that comes out. I truely think the media and politicians are speaking too soon and they’re all going to look like A**Holes in the end. Including Obama himself.

  17. Jim22 says:

    RD is right about one thing. This shooting is not good news for American gun owners. This incident is being spun, and there is more spin to come, to make legal gun owners and CCW holders appear to be trigger-happy morons.

    Facts show that concealed carry reduces the rate of violent crime wherever it is tried. But, facts are not important to those with an agenda. Their best weapon is emotion.

    It’s working in this case.

    The shooting should be thoroughly investigated by the police, not by the media, the White House, the New Black Panthers, or anyone else with an axe to grind.

  18. Uke says:

    Right now, a massive push is swelling to overturn and roll back our most recent 2nd Amendment victories. Particularly ones revolving around “stand your ground” type of inclusions.

    We need to get out in front of this bullshit, and fast.

    People need to see that “stand your ground” doesn’t equate to “pursuit,” nor does it aptly apply to nosy, wanna-be superheroes.

  19. R.D. Walker says:

    Another piece of the puzzle.

    George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says.

    “Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

    The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

    “He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

    The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

    The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

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