Your Future Under The Boot Heel

This is the future of humanity, under the nanny-stater’s rule. No longer a citizen, you will do as your master bids.

One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.

TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said.

Employees who were terminated can appeal to be reinstated after receiving the shot.

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26 Responses to Your Future Under The Boot Heel

  1. R.D. Walker says:

    Shouldn’t employers be able to fire employees if they want to? I mean, it wasn’t the government and if I it isn’t contractually precluded, an employer ought to be able to lay off people for any reason they want.

    I once took over a company that had 340 employees. We needed to cut 10% to make budget and we really didn’t want to pay severance if we didn’t have to. I had a 100% drug test done – including on the CEO and me the COO – and fired everyone who refused or pissed hot. That was 29. I gotta tell you, the retained employees liked it a hell of a lot better than a random lay off. I got the rest through attrition.

  2. notamobster says:

    Should an employer be able to force you to put a cucumber in your rectum when you get to work?

    Absolutely no one – NO ONE – should ever be able to require you to put something in your body! Not an employer. Not a government. No one.

    Why can’t you force your secretary to give you head,or lose her job? There are limits to the ability of one to fire other people.

    Should an employer be able to force you to implant an RFID chip under your skin as a condition of employment?

    Should an employer be allowed to require that you undergo reconstructive surgery as a condition of employment?

    Should an employer be allowed to screen your blood for signs of sexually transmitted disease?

  3. R.D. Walker says:

    If I was going to lay off 150 people anyway, I would probably want to select people who didn’t support my company mission. If I am in the business of pushing flu shots, I might be inclined to fire people I have on staff who won’t even use my product when it is free. How dedicated can they be to the mission? I would say that makes more sense than a random downsizing.

    That said, I don’t know that it was a downsizing.

  4. Roy Ryder says:

    150 of the 10,800 works out to about 2%, which is probably about half of what they’ll need to do to cover Obamacare’s costs. I suspect they’ll be having a drug test next. Word of warning to Cincinati- stay away from the poppy seed muffins.

  5. notamobster says:

    I worked in a car parts factory. They made Chrysler parts. I’ve never owned a Chrysler. That doesn’t mean that I didn’t support the mission of making quality parts.

    That’s a bullshit argument and you know it.

  6. R.D. Walker says:

    Seriously man, I don’t see it that way. I don’t have to employ anyone I don’t want to employ. If I have to reduce headcount, I should get to decide by what means I will decide who stays and who goes. Various laws preclude me from doing it based on race, sex, creed, sexual orientation etc. I don’t support the addition of any other restrictions in this area.

  7. R.D. Walker says:

    I agree it was a pretty stupid stunt from a PR standpoint, but I don’t see it as an issue of loss of liberty.

  8. notamobster says:

    I don’t think that anyone should be able to require you to inject anything into your body as a condition of employment.

    I guess we can reasonably disagree.

  9. R.D. Walker says:

    Sure we can disagree.

    Contracts are a two way street. An employee can terminate the employer/employee relationship for any reason whatsoever. If an employee quit his job because no one in his workplace would get a flu shot, nobody would say boo.

    I don’t see why the employer owes so much more loyalty to the employee than the employee owes the employer.

  10. Bman says:

    TriHealth sounds like a hospital. Everyone I know who works in the health field who has direct contact with patients is REQUIRED to have a flu shot. I think flu shots are bogus, but if you choose to work in this profession, then you better meet their requirements. Hepatitus shots are also required.

  11. notamobster says:

    It’s not loyalty that I’m referring to, just the ability to order me to put something in my body as a condition to maintain my employment.

    Bman – there is a good reason for those requirements in a medical setting and employees voluntarily take that obligation upon themselves. I’m all for it, if it’s an up-front requirement.

    I knew going into the service that I’d be required to get the anthrax vaccination regimen. I entered into that agreement knowingly.

    If this was a hospital, with existing requirements, that changes the whole scope of the issue. What you see above is all of the information provided. That’s the entire article.

  12. Bman says:

    Several years ago, I had an interview with a local beer distributer. During the interview, the supervisor stated that is is highly encouraged (damned near required as told to me by a friend who worked there at the time)that employees drink the beverages that the business distributed, especially when out in public.

    I turned down the offer.

  13. notamobster says:

    You knew that going in. You made the best decision for you. I’ve never had an employer (other than Uncle Sam) who said, as a condition of maintaining employment, that I would be required to get a flu shot.

  14. Bman says:

    “Should an employer be able to force you to put a cucumber in your rectum when you get to work?”

    That made me giggle.

  15. Bman says:

    What do we do when the Dept of Labor, for example, REQUIRES all employees in the U.S. to have a flu shot to be eligible for employment? What’s stopping them from doing that?

  16. R.D. Walker says:

    “Should an employer be able to force you to put a cucumber in your rectum when you get to work?”

    Maybe if you work in the porn industry…

  17. notamobster says:

    :-) Again, a condition of your chosen profession, that existed before you took the job.

  18. fubar says:

    just thinking out loud here, but flu shots are made with chicken embryo and I’m allergic to eggs.

  19. Downtown says:

    Theres more to this story. Last year the Veterans Healthcare System (VA) pushed the flu shot heavily on us veterans. Even to the point of pulling staff to man the phones calling veterans at home. Telling us that their records show that we had’nt gotten the flu shot thru the VA system and asking if we had gotten the shot from another provider. They told us that we could walk in to the VA clinic anytime to get the shot. This seemed very strange to me. The clinic is and was under staffed. But yet they were pulling people off their job to make personal phone calls to veterans at home. Why all the concern? The VA has never called me before about a flu shot. Why now? Having dealt with the VA and Federal government for many years I knew something was up. Why are they trying to push this flu shot on us? Then we hear of employeers forcing employees to take the flu shot or be fired. WTF?
    I haven’t and I won’t get a flu shot ever again. I don’t trust the VA, or the government. They lied to me before and now I suffer the affects from it. Agent Orange, PTSD, Cancer, Heart, Kidney problems. They can take their flu shot and stick it in their ass.

  20. RevoGirl says:

    @Bman
    It depends on what state you work in. In Florida flu shots are encouraged, but not mandatory. Hepatitis vaccines must be offered to all employees, but employees can decline. I gave out over 200 flu shots 2 weeks ago, but I personally don’t get them.

  21. Uke says:

    RE: Original Story–

    I’m okay with it.

    Oh sure, if I worked there, I’m sure I’d be far LESS okay with it. And I still consider it a dick move by the company to make its decisions of who to fire based on flu shots.

    But, 2 things:
    1) This wasn’t a government action, and
    2) Companies should be able to fire easily and fluidly–for as many reasons as an employee can quit a job.

    An employee can leave your employ for any reason, with no notice, and there will never be legal consequences for it. No matter how much in a bind it puts you.

    And this is all without even considering the added consolation that if a company shows a pattern of being a bad place to work, they will eventually attract a lower quality workforce, they may have to face their workers trying to unionize, or–in this specific case–only people okay with flu shots take jobs.

  22. BrunDawg says:

    I’ll bet if they took away sick days everyone would get the shot (who isn’t allergic). I don’t know what it is but some people think the sick day perk is more important than employment. I’d void their healthcare too but that’s probably jail time now.
    They are trying to thin the herd. I’d have to draw the line somewhere closer to the shot than the cucumber.

  23. fubar says:

    just my two cents, I don’t work in the medical field, but my preferred reading material lies along the infectious disease and neuroscience direction;

    flu shots are highly unlikely to be beneficial as they base it on the previous years viral agent of the moment, this has no bearing if a new variant like what happened when the guy from Hong Kong spread SARS or the weird swine flu markers that mutated in people living near large hog facilities in Holland or Belgium (forget which).
    The Spanish influenza of 1918 killed so many because of the immune system response, the demographic it killed the most of was the 18-35 age group, as they tend to be healthier and in their prime. Ground zero was a military facility preparing soldiers for war.

    It’s a theory floating around that the “sleeping sickness” /encephalitis (Awakenings /Oliver Sacks) was caused by a mutation of the same influenza, as it appeared a few decades later in survivors. But they don’t know for sure, because biology is complex, and differences even between members of the same species are too complex with infinite variables.

    Just thought I’d note it as RD’s pandemic story is a real possibility -

  24. BaconNeggs says:

    Got to disagree with RD on this one.

    Nota I agree with you, no one is injecting me with shit. This is an issue of basic freedom, I am selling my labour not my body to my employer.

    The company I work for have been offering “Free” flu shots for a number of years and push it very hard each year, but I have never and will never take their “free” flu shot.

    I know some equivalence arguments could be made citing young children going into a school environment needing to have immunity to spread or contract diseases, however, as an adult that is hardly the case with influenza which has already mutated by the time its mass produced for vaccines.

    Apart from many people at work, who received the “free” flu shots actually getting sick soon after, the flu company gets a bonus from the government based for the number of flu shots administered. So the “free” flu shot is about money to some extent.

    Similar “health” argument have been made to force all school girls to have a “free” HPV – anti cervix disease virus, another cash cow for those pushing this “free” shot.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Well, whether you want to get a flu shot or not and under what conditions an employer should be able to dismiss an employee, are two separate issues really.

  25. RJ says:

    Uncle Sam made me, everyone else has been choice and I hope it stays that way. I have not taken one since Uncle made me, if forced to choose today I’d probably take it vs being fired. I’d have to think long and hard about retiring vs taking the shot though.

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