Atheists are trying a little too hard…

Atheist billboard2

Christianity lives rent-free in the heads of atheists.

With a picture of Santa Claus above another image of Jesus Christ, the sign, sponsored by New Jersey-based American Atheists, urges passersby to “Keep the Merry!” and “Dump the Myth!” Attacks on Christianity from the group have become routine, and in the bustling heart of America’s busiest city, most folks don’t even waste a shrug on the sign. But some took notice, and did not approve.

“It’s a damn shame. It’s an insult,” said Anthony White, 41, a of Jersey City, N.J. said. “Why did they have to put that up?”
David Silverman, president of American Atheists, had an answer, though not one likely to please the faithful.

“Most Christians are really atheists who feel trapped in their family’s religion,” Silverman told FoxNews.com. “They need not be Christian to enjoy the holiday season.”

This bothers me not at all. Seriously. As a libertarian, I respect the right to free speech and this is definitely free speech.

As a Christian, I can honestly say that nothing a nonbeliever has to say about my faith bothers me in the least. Seriously. What can an atheist say that undercuts personal experience with faith?

As a Revoista, I challenge the brave, truth seeking atheists to make a similar statement during Ramadan using the image of Mohammad or, better yet, Allah. After all, atheists believe Islam is as much hokum as is Christianity, right?

Somehow, I think they will stick to hacking on Christianity and give the Muslims a pass.

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83 Responses to Atheists are trying a little too hard…

  1. notamobster says:

    Yep. Rabid atheists like this are nothing more than schoolyard bullies. Cowards, the lot of them.

    They won’t pick on someone who will fight back, like the crazy ragheads.

  2. Bman says:

    The people who feel they must go out of their way to do shit like this are just sorry, sad people. They are not happy. I pity them.

    It doesn’t offend me one iota when someone wishes me a happy holidays. So be it. If they truly believe in the happy holidays slogan, more power to them. I don’t feel the need to get offended and correct them by telling them, “It’s Merry Christmas, dammit!” I just tell them thank you, and go on my way.

    There would be no difference to display Christmas messages just to make a point against non-believers than it is to display athiest messages to make the same point against Christians. I will not participate in that bullshit.

  3. Ray Davies says:

    When someone says “happy holidays” I just respond with “Merry Christmas” you would be suprised how many times they smile and reply Merry Christmas.
    Merry Christ mas everyone

  4. Brian Westley says:

    “Somehow, I think they will stick to hacking on Christianity and give the Muslims a pass.”

    You’d be wrong:
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/04/198511.html

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Where is big Mo’s picture on those billboards?

      • Brian Westley says:

        Your original comment:
        “Somehow, I think they will stick to hacking on Christianity and give the Muslims a pass.”

        That statement is wrong.

        Your asking about “big Mo’s picture” is a red herring. American Atheists ran the billboard in a Muslim neighborhood in New Jersey, in English and Arabic. That’s hardly giving Muslims a pass.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          No, the statement was correct: Somehow I did think that.

        • notamobster says:

          I remember seeing this, too. Brian seems to be rather selective, too:

          As a Revoista, I challenge the brave, truth seeking atheists to make a similar statement during Ramadan using the image of Mohammad or, better yet, Allah. After all, atheists believe Islam is as much hokum as is Christianity, right?

          Being that the subject matter was a PICTURE of Jesus – the comment would seem to apply to the wordsdirectly preceding the statement you quoted, Brian.

          • Brian Westley says:

            Nope, I quoted the part I was replying to.

            It looks like people here will criticize atheists for not criticizing Muslims, but ignore it when atheists really do criticize Muslims. I guess you want to protect Muslims or something.

  5. notamobster says:

    I looked. No pics of Mohammy. I don’t believe in the Santa Claus. We should pool our resources and get a billboard that says “You know it’s a myth and you have a choice.”

    Nah. It’d be stupid to waste money protesting something you don’t believe exists.

    • Brian Westley says:

      American Atheists protest religions because religions can be very destructive. Or don’t you remember 9/11?

      • R.D. Walker says:

        Atheists are can be very destructive too. Remember the 100 million killed by atheistic communists during the 20th century?

        • notamobster says:

          Conveniently, that bit of history has escaped Mr Westley. :-)

        • Bman says:

          So, the whole point of athiests protesting people’s faith is for the purpose of saving lives? Interesting.

          • notamobster says:

            Yeah, and here I thought it was the natural outgrowth of a smug, self-righteous attitude manifested by a psychological desire for attention.

        • Brian Westley says:

          And all those killed by Wehrmacht soldiers wearing belt buckles saying “Gott Mit Uns”?

          Are you trying to avoid saying 9/11 was caused by religious fanatics?

          • R.D. Walker says:

            If you oppose religion because some religious people are fanatics then you had better oppose atheism for the same reason: It is steeped in fanaticism.

  6. notamobster says:

    You’ve obviously never looked around this site, Brian. Radical hajjis were behind 9/11. You’re absolutely correct! Do you feel better, now? Now that we’ve capitulated that 19 angry muslims hijacked planes and killed people…

    You still haven’t answered on the communists yet. Hundreds of millions, Brian. Atheists. Human-nature.

    Human history has shown that fanatics & tyrants will use whatever tools they have available to control and destroy others. More people are kept in check by their faith than those who kill because of it. Even in crazy hajji-land.

  7. notamobster says:

    Rent free.

  8. Brian Westley says:

    “You still haven’t answered on the communists yet.”

    Yes, I have. Remember all the Christians fighting for Hitler?

    “More people are kept in check by their faith than those who kill because of it.”

    And, you might have noticed, most atheists (like most Christians, most Muslims, etc) are not mass murderers, either.

    Well, it looks like nobody here can man up and admit that American Atheists really do criticize Muslims, instead of falsely implying they only criticize Christians.

    • Bman says:

      Go to Dearborn, Michigan, stand on a corner, and hold up a sign denouncing Islam. Get back to us with a report of your findings.

    • notamobster says:

      Hitler was the Fuhrer of the NASDP – “Nazi” – Nat’l Socialist Party.

      He was not a communist, Brian. He was fighting the communists in Russia, which you would know, had you done your homework.

      Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, Fidel Castro, Che Guevarra… these were all murdering swine atheists. That, however doesn’t mean that I will condemn all atheists, just the rabid ones who refuse to show any intellectual integrity.

      • Brian Westley says:

        “He was not a communist, Brian. He was fighting the communists in Russia, which you would know, had you done your homework.”

        I know that. I was pointing out that many of the soldiers fighting under Hitler were Christians.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          Some Nazis were atheists too. What is your point? You can’t make a blanket condemnation of religion based on the misbehavior of a minority of the religious without making a similar blanket condemnation of atheism for the misdeeds of atheists.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Nobody here has denied that some religious people do evil deeds. Atheists do evil deeds too.

      It is intellectually dishonest, therefore, to condemn religion because of the deeds of a minority of religious people but not condemn atheism for the deeds of some atheists.

      • Brian Westley says:

        “Nobody here has denied that some religious people do evil deeds. Atheists do evil deeds too.”

        Nobody here has acknowledged that American Atheists have already put up billboards criticizing Muslims. Why not? Are you protecting Muslims?

        “It is intellectually dishonest, therefore, to condemn religion because of the deeds of a minority of religious people but not condemn atheism for the deeds of some atheists.”

        You might not have noticed that I said “religions can be very destructive”; this is not a general condemnation of religion.

        • notamobster says:


          You might not have noticed that I said “religions can be very destructive”; this is not a general condemnation of religion.


          Indeed, you did.

          You also came here supporting American Atheists who obviously (according to your own link) offer general condemnations of all religion (including Islam), and thus, those who hold religious beliefs.

          Cars can be very destructive, too. Why don’t you insult everyone who has a car?

          • notamobster says:

            You can’t pull the very last sentence out of an entire article, use it without context, to prove your point – and then resort to 3rd grade appeals to the ego by saying “I guess you’re just trying to protect muslims, then.” Or – “No one’s gonna man up…” Really?

        • R.D. Walker says:

          Uh huh. Evidently atheists have engaged in some tame and judicious criticism of Muslims. In both quantity and content it is a mere shadow of their daily assaults on Christianity. We know why this is the case and so do you. If you attacked Islam they way you attack Christianity quite a few of you would be dead.

          That was the point of my post. That you were able to produce rare examples in which atheists attempted to establish their credibility as equal opportunity naysayers hardly diminishes my point.

          • Brian Westley says:

            “Uh huh. Evidently atheists have engaged in some tame and judicious criticism of Muslims. In both quantity and content it is a mere shadow of their daily assaults on Christianity.”

            You may not have noticed, but there are far more Christians than Muslims in the US, and Christians dominate politically.

            “We know why this is the case and so do you. If you attacked Islam they way you attack Christianity quite a few of you would be dead.”

            Let’s see, a billboard calling Christianity a myth gets you upset, but one calling Islam a myth is tame. I guess that explains why you are so upset.

            “That you were able to produce rare examples in which atheists attempted to establish their credibility as equal opportunity naysayers hardly diminishes my point.”

            So, why don’t YOU list all the billboards you have put up criticizing Islam or Muslims?

  9. Greg B says:

    Don’t forget the koran (not capitalized porposefuly) says to KILL infidels.
    That’s the muzzie holy book.
    Whether or not they act on it is immaterial.
    Trying to point to groups that twist and pervert religion to justify mass murder, is BS.
    The habibs don’t need to get all twisted about it. Their sacred book says to do it.

  10. Brian Westley says:

    “You also came here supporting American Atheists who obviously (according to your own link) offer general condemnations of all religion (including Islam)”

    Hooray, finally somebody acknowledges that American Atheists HAVE criticized Islam.

    You might have noticed that they criticize Islam and Christianity as being myths. How is that “condemnation”? That’s just saying they’re not true.

    • notamobster says:

      You don’t think that insulting someone’s deeply held beliefs as myth is a condemnation?

      con·dem·na·tion [kon-dem-ney-shuh n, -duh m-]
      noun
      strong censure; disapprobation; reproof.

      It’s the same as telling someone they’re an idiot.

      Where is the intellectual integrity of American Atheists to put up a massive billboard in Times Square, with a picture of Hammy and calling Islam a myth?

      • Brian Westley says:

        “You don’t think that insulting someone’s deeply held beliefs as myth is a condemnation?”

        Well, take your pick: either American Atheists are condemning Christians and Muslims (and Jews), or their criticisms are “tame” when they call religions myths.

        “Where is the intellectual integrity of American Atheists to put up a massive billboard in Times Square, with a picture of Hammy and calling Islam a myth?”

        Why are you whining about what they haven’t done? This is the first billboard they’ve put up in Times Square (as far as I can recall), so it’s hardly surprising they’d take on the major religion of the US first.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Look, you have your faith, I have mine. It is evident that you have a very limited understanding of the universe and believe some very foolish things. I pity you for the myths you believe.

      See? I didn’t condemn atheism. I am just saying it isn’t true.

      • Brian Westley says:

        Yes, I realize you believe in an invisible superbeing. It seemed to take you long enough to simply acknowledge the fact that American Atheists also criticize Muslims.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          Frankly, I don’t think you criticize Muslims. Your examples are so rare as to be dismissed as meaningless. They are a rare and trivial exception to the everyday and relentless drumbeat of your attacks on Christianity.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          “I realize you believe in an invisible superbeing.”

          Your realizations in this matter, and evidently many others, have nothing to do with reality. You are embarrassing yourself when you pretend to understand the nature of my faith. You have no idea what you are talking about.

  11. Bman says:

    Why are athiests so hell bent on trying to convince people of faith that they are wrong?

  12. Brian Westley says:

    “Why are athiests so hell bent on trying to convince people of faith that they are wrong?”

    Why not? Isn’t it better to be right? Like spelling “atheists” correctly?

    • notamobster says:

      Wow, a rabid “athiest” and a grammar nazi. Nice. I’ll bet you have lots of friends.

      • Brian Westley says:

        “Wow, a rabid “athiest” and a grammar nazi.”

        Spelling is not grammar.

        • R.D. Walker says:

          “Superbeing” isn’t a word.

          • notamobster says:

            The term ‘grammar nazi’ is a colloquial term which denotes militant attention to errors of punctuation, spelling, and grammar on the internet. It is usually assigned to a person who attempts to demean his opponent’s intellect in a debate.

            Are you 5 years old? Your debate skills have seriously devolved since you showed up. You appeal to ego’s with your “man up” and “defending muslims” comments. You attack a transposed letter in a type-written word. Then you correct appropriate use of a colloquial reference.

            Grow up.

    • R.D. Walker says:

      You are quite the little evangelist, aren’t you Brian?

      • Brian Westley says:

        Well, when people make false statements about atheists, like saying they never criticize Muslims, I often reply. Usually, they try to dodge the issue and bring up e.g. Stalin, or try to pretend that atheists only criticize Christians. Then it can take a lot of repetition to get them to admit the obvious.

        • notamobster says:

          No one ever said that you people NEVER criticize Islam. Your spokesman Bill Maher criticizes Islam all the time.

          • Brian Westley says:

            “No one ever said that you people NEVER criticize Islam”

            I disagree:
            “I think they will stick to hacking on Christianity and give the Muslims a pass.”

    • Bman says:

      Oh! Spelling meister here! Don’t be a dick.

  13. notamobster says:

    Brian’s whole life is built around fighting things he doesn’t believe exist. http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/BrianWestley?xg_source=activity

    • Greg B says:

      R.D., that’s it exactly.
      Evangelicals for secular humanism.
      Look, believe. Or don’t. It matters little to me.
      It really should matter little to them how I, or anyone else, for that matter, choose to live.

    • Brian Westley says:

      Wow, a few posts from three years ago.

      Sorry, as one of the webmasters for the Firesign Theatre and as the most frequent winner of the International Obfuscated C Code Contest, I have other things to do.

      • notamobster says:

        You may have other things to do, yet, here you are – deliberately conflating the intent and context of an article at 11 o’clock at night.

        Ooh, award winner, eh? Very nice. We’re all terribly impressed.

  14. notamobster says:

    See Brian, there you go conflating the issues. No one here got mad about the criticism. In fact the author stated the exact opposite:

    This bothers me not at all. Seriously. As a libertarian, I respect the right to free speech and this is definitely free speech.

    As a Christian, I can honestly say that nothing a nonbeliever has to say about my faith bothers me in the least. Seriously. What can an atheist say that undercuts personal experience with faith?

  15. Bman says:

    Why protest something you don’t believe in?

  16. Greg B says:

    Oh screw the Firesign theater.
    I had a history teacher in high school who was a rabid frikkin pinko.
    His idea of a lesson plan was forcing us to listen to that crap. Either that or watch “Reds”.
    See, there’s the commie atheist link.
    Get back under the bridge.

    • Brian Westley says:

      No no, Commie Martyrs was the rival school in “High School Madness” which is on the album “Don’t Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me The Pliers”

  17. Brian Westley says:

    “Calling people out for that sort of thing really reveals you to be an insufferable asshole. I have tried to be civil with you but you are just being a dick now. Knock it off or move on.”

    About what I figured. I point out you’re wrong, lots of red herrings, and lastly mindless insults.

    Don’t you ever go changing. Just keep licking your wounds every election.

    • Bman says:

      So now it’s about elections…..

    • R.D. Walker says:

      Seriously? Are you that unaware of your own behavior? It is universally understood that, in Internet forums, those who see it as his or her duty to amend grammar or spelling mistakes made by others, is a dick. I don’t make the rules. When I called you a dick, it wasn’t a mindless insult. It was the consensus opinion of millions.

  18. notamobster says:

    The term ‘grammar nazi’ is a colloquial term which denotes militant attention to errors of punctuation, spelling, and grammar on the internet. It is usually assigned to a person who attempts to demean his opponent’s intellect in a debate.

    Are you 5 years old? Your debate skills have seriously devolved since you showed up. You appeal to ego’s with your “man up” and “defending muslims” comments. You attack a transposed letter in a type-written word. Then you correct appropriate use of a colloquial reference.

    Grow up.

  19. Bman says:

    God Bless you, Brian. I will pray for you.

  20. notamobster says:

    Ah, he is a liberal. Now, it’s about losing an election. Being a self-righteous, smug, childish asshat, I never would have guessed that you are a liberal, Brian. ;-)

  21. notamobster says:

    You know, on a serious note, Brian – if I may, I’d like to offer you some hard-learned advice.

    Try speaking to people like you don’t hold them in contempt. Have a conversation, and don’t resort to petulant attacks on people’s spelling, insulting their intellect, or trashing the beliefs which they hold near and dear to their very being. You might have better luck converting people.

  22. Greg B says:

    People like that are ONLY interested in trying to prove to THEMSELVES that they really ARE superior.
    As usual, to little effect.

  23. notamobster says:

    Oh, and btw, I’m new to Christianity (since 0230 last Tuesday). So, if I was questioning my long-suffered decision to accept Jesus Christ before I met you, I think you may have forced me to dig my heels in.

    You had your chance to push a (possibly) wavering religious neophyte back across the fence but you blew it. More flies with honey, I guess.

  24. notamobster says:

    Yeah, maybe not. ;-)

    I took a lot of time and thought (soul-searching) before I made my decision. No contrivance of man or devil can make my faith waver now. I’ve made the decision, knowing full-well what his arguments are – I’ve argued those same points myself (though I can’t say that I ever believed them – just that I had the same questions and asked them of others). My brain tells me it’s not true. “It can’t be.”

    I made the conscious choice to believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior in spite of the fact that my brain tells me otherwise. His whiny butt isn’t gonna change that. :-)

    Hey Greg – find me on facebook.

  25. BaconNeggs says:

    When Brian started his comments I really thought it was going to be something deep and revealing, alas it turned out to be dull and boring, almost evolving into some childish debate about the meaning of the words “it and the” and the correct grammar and dick-tion. I get the impression from Brian, that he is good with words and is in love with own sophistry and his self proclaimed genius.

    I am a non believer and would have been far more impressed with some mature debate/argument along the lines of Thomas Paine – Age of Reason or say Bertrand Russell – Why I am not a Christian instead of this thin gruel that protesting Christians in Arabic is actually protesting Islam. Thats so Fn lame.

    Its easy to be childish, and show off by arguing against someones faith, going around in circles saying nothing. Its much harder as a non believer to respect another persons faith and not try to insult and offend them. To me that Billboard attacking Christ at Christmas is about as useful as a fart in an elevator.

  26. Locke n Load says:

    Wow. For such a lengthy thread I’d usually have something nice to say about the lefty dissenter.
    Uhh, can’t this time. Brian, your ego is driving your arguments like a 12 yr old discovering his dick. As an agnostic I gotta tell ya, you are an embarrassment to each and every pagan, agnostic, and atheist I’ve ever met.
    Please, stop. Really, stop. You’re making an asswipe out of yourself

  27. RJ says:

    :-) I love seeing RD and Nota stomp a troll

  28. Greg B says:

    Bman & LnL,
    The difference is I’ve never seen you guys ripping on someone because of what they believe.

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