It’s a two page summary – here. Quoting the summary:
ShareBans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration”
“Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act…
In other words, the above is just Step 1. The part I quoted sets us up for Step 2 and you know what Step 2 is. They are boiling frogs.
Exactly R.D. Boiling frogs indeed! Hasn’t the membership of the NRA been increasing lately? I think I need to join even though I am a member through my work.
Whoa whoa whoa!! Registration??
Get fucked. Seriously, get fucked assholes. I have no nice way to express myself ATM.
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In Arizona, we don’t have to register our guns ANYWAY. What uncle sammy don’t know…he STILL AIN’T GONNA’ KNOW….
And all this stops a crime how?? I swear, these people are not only moronic, they write legislation that proves it.
It’s not stupid, Eddie. It’s willful intent to disarm the people, with malice aforethought…
nota-Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t Ms. Fienstein & her colleagues in DIRECT VIOLATION of her/their Oath(s) of Office with this socialist garbage?
of course they are Doc. seems only the military considers oaths anything other than ceremonial though
Nota, point well taken.
This sounds exactly like 1968. Same tactics, larger scope. What we need to do is eliminate the BATFE, as they distribute more illegal weapons than anybody else.
If I thought these people respected the Constitution, I would think they were just trying to boost the economy through the gun market.
The other side to this is that there may be enough pushback to start eliminating some of the imposed bans. I’d start with the NFA being unconstitutional and nullify 1968 and 1986.
Wishful thinking, I know.
Time for Frankenstein to go packing and take Reid with her. Join the NRA now!
Very ambiguous, this bit. In keeping with the history of the inexorable encroachment, they will ask for the moon, so they can have a victory after we whittle down the list. They will most-assuredly have more in this ban than they did in the last.
Gee, by those criteria one “military” characteristic is they can fire ammunition.
Dear God in Heaven I HATE these putrid creatures.
“Background check of owner and any transferee”
This is the gunshow ‘loophole’ baloney they’re always talking about. What they have been trying to disguise is an effort to ban guns as gifts or inheritances. The gunshows I’ve been to all had setups for background checks meaning there really aren’t any ‘loopholes’, right? The language above has been their aim all along
The 1st step to confiscation is registration.
These idiot pols have no idea how much bloodshed will occur if they actually try to confiscate guns from people such as myself. No idea at all.
Will Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata be able to voice their own concerns of this legislation since they were required to use “bean bags” in their own executions?
Maybe Feinstein should also include beanbag guns since they also got someone killed.
I don’t see this going anywhere. The House won’t pass it if it gets to them but I suspect that Dingy Harry will deep six this thing in the Senate. He wants to keep his NRA ‘A’ rating in Nevada.
I understand what your point is, however I fear this to be a trial balloon and as it is so ambiguous and over-reaching that a “sensible compromise” will pass, at least in the senate. As noted above, the boiling frog syndrome. I expected a try at the AWS ban, but this is so far beyond what I expected – I am concerned about what might be passed to placate the whacko leftists.
Regarding registration…
Will Gonzo, the Psycho planning a super-sized suicide killing spree register his weapon? No.
Will Diced P the rappin’ gangster register his weapon? No.
Will Paulie Carlione the Mafioso register his weapon? No.
Will Butch Miller the career bugler register his weapon? No.
Will that masked dude robbing banks register his weapon? No.
Will the felon down the street register his weapon? No.
Will Eddie the Mugger register his weapon? No.
Will the most sheepish, law abiding citizens register their weapons? Sure.
How in the fuck is this good social policy?
You’re right RD. This is going nowhere today. But I do see it as a trial run for support to invigorate the base for 2014.
Like peacocks ruffling their feathers.
send your rep an e-mail tell em to defund capitol police guards, let the pols feel a little defenseless
Connecticut requires weapons registration. The weapons Adam Lanza use were registered. Didn’t do a damned thing to stop the massacre.
Lanza could have used a pump shotgun with two revolvers and done as much or more killing. None of that is covered in Feinstein’s worthless bill.
This scrunt isn’t trying to stop mass killings. She is attacking conservatives, pandering to progressives and nothing more.
I loathe these people.
If this bill stated that no government security details were exempt from this law, I would give it a little more weight. Until then, let them tear down my house finding my contraband.
You guys are perfect examples why guns should be kept from the mentally ill. You talk about your rights being trampled on what about the kids in Newtown. You think maybe their rights count? You are sheep being led by big money but I’m sure you’ll never figure it out. Why not call your selves losers and just number your selves. oh by the way you should start with the number one and so on. After all you seem to enjoy your circle-jerk where there is no disagreement. I guess the world looks the same thru a gun site.
My guns not only didn’t hurt anyone in Newtown, they have never hurt anyone anywhere.
As for your attempt to shame and silence law abiding, peaceable, orderly citizens who are exercising rights codified in the Bill of Rights, it won’t work. We won’t be cowed by your foul and baseless accusations.
Foul, baseless and barely literate, I would add.
Seriously Robert, there’s nothing of value to your post. It’s a hodge podge of drivel, with literally nothing worth addressing on a point-by-point basis.
Construct an argument and post it. Otherwise… *yawn*.
“…guns should be kept from the mentally ill.”
Hey, I’m on board with that! Who the hell isn’t? As to calling us here, at The Real Revo Resort, Gun Range, Bar & Grill, and Beefcake Emporium, mentally ill? You just need to “F” the fuck off.
Shit happens. You can’t fix everything in the world by passing laws. The kid that did the shooting in Newtown violated about 50 laws not to mention the ultimate social, cultural, instinctual and religious taboo against killing his mother. No law is going to stop people like him.
Since no law is going to stop him, I guess we are all going to pretend that Obama can invoke the gun fairy to collect up all the guns and make them disappear. This, of course, is retarded. There will always be guns in the hands of predators. Until the police disarm, this fact is beyond debate.
You know when the Newtown shooter quit killing kids? When good guys with guns showed up. That is when he finally offed himself. There is only one way to stop an armed killer: good guys with guns. Period. Everything else is just moonbat fantasy. Killers stop shooting when good guys with guns show up. Until then, it is a free fire in a safe, target rich environment.
It is just bizarre that a grown man, in response to the actions of a mad dog killer immediately wants to disarm! What kind of a decayed and degenerate state of moral reasoning makes a man not want to defend himself and his loved ones from predators? Seriously. To paraphrase John Stuart Mill: A man who is not willing to fight in his own defense is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
So, yeah, there are going to be other shooters. There are going to be other massacres. I guarantee it. It is a metaphysical certitude. If you think the answer to that reality is to disarm the good guys and then wait patiently to for your turn to have a bullet shatter your skull, I don’t know what to say to you. You are pathetic.
Yea their rights count, the most important right they had, the right to life was violated by a evil bastard intent on killing defensless children like shooting fish in a barrel.
Cowards like you who would not stand between a mad man and the children he would slaughter are what is wrong with this country. Increasingly citizens have given up their right to life and the right to defend their life, driven by the liberal fantasy that evil does not exist and rules can fix everything.
If you believe the children had a right to live, then as the most helpless among us they have the right to have their lives protected.
Unarmed women flung themselves at the evil bastard in a helpless attempt to stop his killing spree, you sir are a vile limp dick bastard who would sit weeping and accepting death at the hands of the killer right after he finished killing the children, you and your ilk make me want to puke.
Speaking of mental illness you might want to see a mental health professional, anyone who would forgo the right to self defense of life or defense of children is seriously fucked in the head.
Oh my. I hope Robert doesn’t own a pencil sharpened. A fresh #2 could be lethal in his hands.
This guy cant even formulate a cohesive paragraph.
Maybe we should notify the authorities.
I am still trying to figure out how an armed citizenry demanding that individual rights be respected are “sheep being led by big money.”
I mean, I get that heavily armed sheep slaughter the wolves rather than the other way around…. I just don’t get the “big money” part. Where is my cut?
I think he screwed that one up. He was in a hurry and flipped to the Koch Brother page by mistake.
Welcome back, Robert. Will the Redhead be joining you for another spanking this evening?
He and his alter ego have been here before? Jeez. I just reread that thread you linked. He didn’t exactly present himself well in that first one.
How deluded must one be to spew gibberish, make no cohesive argument, get wrecked, and still think they were victorious enough to come back?
Poor fella. Maybe if “Blondie” shows up, he’ll fare better this time.
Yeah, he was fun. I’m going to try and ignore him, this time.
Should start some SURVIVAL TIPS on how to securely “camouflage” tools… safely, without rust, etc…
Makes me very upset.
Dickheads like Michael Moore have armed body guards.
News guys on tv (forget the name) with their kids in armed / guarded schools, same with politicians and other business people, hollywoodys. ON and on.
Need states to declare freedom from any arms control so we can move there. Texas?
Step 1: Cosmoline.
Step 2: Air and watertight container.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
Obviously I’ve never had to do it. None of us have. However. those of us with forefathers that have had to endure totalitarian occupation have (likely) buried their firearms. Or knew people that did. Suffice to say, firearms have been dug up decades after burial that were 100% serviceable, after such precautions.
Cosmoline is a great, modern tool to accomplish such ends. The only two tricks thereafter are not letting anyone else see where the cache is, and remembering where the cache is, even 10 years later.
Of course we would never advocate illegal activities here, right? We’re talking strictly about some kind of a future zombie apocalypse situation right?
At our current station in history, it is completely legal for one to create a time capsule containing collector’s item style weapons.
These weapons could be of great value in the future where paper money no longer holds any value.
Certainly! It’s really only theoretical stuff. You know, those “thought experiments” that the edumacated class is all into.
I’m only coming up with all of this in the case that, you know, aliens invade and stuff. Who KNOWS what strategies the human race will need to resort to in order to survive??
We might even have to consider harsh words!
Okay, then can I suggest a large diameter PVC pipe capped and sealed at both ends with PVC cement?
yeah but make sure to add something to absorb the water vapor inside the sealed unit, a little rice, dried beans, or some chemical equilivant like you get in some food items or electronics.
I would add desiccant packs, grease the hell out of the antique shotgun inside, use a heat gun or hair dryer to really heat up and dry out the inside and then cap it while it is still hot inside.
That is how I would preserve grandpa’s old single shot .410 quail gun.
Cosmoline is a mineral spirit and is a bugger to clean if exposed to air. It dries up pretty quickly. Any petrol is better and easier to clean after time. Will require a cleaning but better on the metal.
Seems you can store fighter aircraft for 70+/- years if you cover the crates in tar:
http://www.flyingmag.com/pilots-places/pilots-adventures-more/work-set-start-burma-spitfire-recovery
Wow what a response. Maybe I hit upon the truth. You guys go on stroking each other. I would have thought you could figure the gun makers have bought the NRA and they In turn have brained washed (excuse the phrase) you guys. Have a paranoid life and try not to be too scared of the dark!
You sure showed us!…What are we brainwashed about, again? I’m mentally ill and forgot.
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Seriously?
This is your declaration of victory? This is like the Germans declaring the Invasion of Normandy as a “clever trap for the Allies!”, and laughing as the allied forces were landing.
Scared of the dark? Nope. The dark never hurt anybody.
Bad guys with illegal guns? Yep. That’s why keep a 12 gauge close by while my family sleeps and a few well placed arms elswhere
You see Robert, I accept the fact that there are bad people in the world. Will they ever try to cause me or my family harm? I doubt it. But I am prepared to protect my family if they do.
I feel sorry for your family. There Dad is a Pusey.
Something about this bill has been bugging me, all day. I just figured out what it was:
Does this even exist? Are there handguns or rifles with “fixed magazines” which hold more than ten rounds?
I guess that would fall upon the definition of “fixed”. As in not removable? If so nothing I own.
If fixed is defined as in position, then every gun made today.
Fixed magazine means the box for the bullets cannot be removed. What kind of rifle do you have if it holds more than 10 rounds in a fixed magazine? I’ve never heard of such.
I guess that’s to prevent manufacturers from creating them. Duh. (facepalm)
Please tell me they aren’t talking about the tubes under the barrel of .22 rimfire rifles that hold more than ten .22 LR cartridges.
See? That’s why I was asking! I had a Marlin .22 growin up. It only held 10 rounds. I didn’t know they had one that held more than 10? WTF?
My .22 Ranger rifle holds 17 rounds. Of course it’s bolt action. I guess those are safe. Thank You, Ms. Feinstein!
Yeah, Bman – ummmm, no! See above.
I think my the Savage bolt action .22 dad got me when I was a kid would hold about twenty-five .22 shorts in that tube. That’s what the old man gave me to shoot too, shorts.
Sorry guys. Gonna have to give those up!
I can see it now: The all new Remington 700, chambered in .223 with a fixed 48 round magazine and 6.5′ long barrel. (That’s why she did this.)
I could be ABSOLUTELY DEATH-DEALINGLY-FEROCIOUSLY-BAD-DANGEROUS with a .22 rifle. She has apparently wised up to the caliber argument.
Yeah, because a bolt action rifle my dad gave me when I was 13 that I have owned for 36 years means I am some kind of a threat. It’s that damned tube!
The tool has a mind of it’s own. You’re a man. You know this…
Hell, maybe that’s where this liberal fallacy comes from. Maybe it’s a liberal phallacy. Maybe they are confusing guns with men’s peni. (<—?)
Oh my God! I missed that one! So, is my Red Ryder BB Gun is off limits, too? That holds like, a thousand BB’s! No compass in the stock, thank heavens!
Bman, dude – laugh all you want but Michigan regards pellet gun pistols as handguns. You have to attain a permit to purchase a freaking pellet gun. The same gun that shoots 1200 bb’s is cool, but if it’s labeled as a pellet gun, you need a permit, biznatch!
Do you need a permit to purchase a flare gun?
I don’t think so. I can also purchase the same pellet guns online, because online retailers aren’t effing retarded.
I’m getting tired of retarded laws. I’m getting tired of complying to ANY of them. I was thinking about RD’s scenario about the letter to claim your guns or go to jail. I would risk it.
Butters sums it up on how I feel these days.
Let me be absolutely clear (and I hope that my countrymen follow suit):
I WILL NEVER REGISTER MY FIREARMS WITH THE GOVERNMENT!
I hope, with all of my soul that I am able to muster, that the words I just wrote will be taken in an absolutely LITERAL meaning.
Seems clear to me. Just in case:
I WILL NEVER GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A LIST OF THE FIREARMS I HAVE IN MY HOME. THEY CAN KISS MY GIGANTIC, NORTH-ATLANTIC(& somewhat Cherokee) ARSE!
Clear enough?
That video is a “How To” of school shooters everywhere… Just saying.
It’s okay Nota. I don’t think you have to register your firearms anymore, since you sold them to that guy.
If you read the summary, as worded, it effectively bans ALL pistols other than revolvers.
How so, Rock? I’ve seen the reference, I’m just not getting it…
I noted the ‘ambiguous nature” earlier. I just don’t see the all pistols reference. (Don’t construe my question as being in agreement with this crap, please…)
LOL. no no. I don’t think a single reasonable person agrees with this claptrap. But here goes..
“Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a
detachable magazine and have one military characteristic”
Ambiguous? Yes.. After all.. They never defined “military characteristic”. Detachable magazines, while mentioned seperately, will also most likely be a “Military Characteristic”. However.. “Detachable Magazine” has been also defined by the idiots in California already. This idiocy brought us the “bullet Button”.. Which is specifically mentioned in this proposal as a “loophole” that will be closed.
All semi-auto handguns have a detachable magazine. “Mounting rails” will most likely be a “military characteristic”. Many have a front rail. Thus. Looking at this as presented.. it is a direct ban on all semi-auto handguns.
I’ve also heard tell.. though unconfirmed.. that ammo types will/can be used as a “Military Characteristic”.. So any NATO round or any round currently in use by the Military can be a “military characteristic”. So 9mm and 45ACP can be a “Military Characteristic”.
But take that one with a grain of salt as it is a rumor only.
Now.. This is all a great big “what if”.. But judging by past performance, what the left has openly stated as their goals, and the fact that they have the failures and have seen the workarounds of the last AWB it’s not a giant leap to assume the worst.
What we need to assume is that the left is going to present a bill, when finished, that is as close as humanly possible to a total ban. And we also have to be wary of the back door ban as well. Bans where such and such item isn’t specifically banned.. But compliance through design, paperwork and registration is so difficult and onerous that such items are effectively banned.
Now. All this will most likley never survive it’s first debate much less a vote. But we aren’t at that point yet. We’re in the presentation phase.. And as presented and worded, and based on past legislation, this is an effective ban on all semi-auto handguns.
military characteristic list include:
sights
scopes
grip grooves, serrated or grooved or checkering on grips, back straps or finger grooves, grooves or checkering on slide releases, safety levers, magazine releases, ad infintium….yea total ban in their adled minds is what they are after.
Wow.
Robert has totally convinced me of the error of my ways, solely by virtue of his opinion of me.
Nah. Just kidding.
The Butters video?
Yep.
It may not be a “How to” per se, but it is what believe happens in the mind of these turds.